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Pennington take on Ryan's tipped passes

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Sep 12, 2012.

  1. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    http://blogs.palmbeachpost.com/thed...hy-ryan-tannehills-passes-are-getting-tipped/

    I think he has got something.Play tall Tanny.
     
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  2. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    Pennington for QB coach?
     
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  3. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    In a heartbeat
     
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  4. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    kind of funny how the dirty jet has become a dolphin fan favorite.
     
  5. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    i remember saying and hoping that would happen when he no longer started for us because of his nagging injury. He would be the best QB coach in the league. i wonder why players who retire never seek out position coaching jobs?
     
  6. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    We agree.
     
  7. Bpk

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    Penny didn't save Henne as his mentor. Why the assumption he'd be a great QB coach?

    Sure he is smart, has great character, but we don't know if he is great at helping guys develop.
     
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  8. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    Not to mention he'd probably tear his rotator cuff in the first lesson...
     
  9. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    well you won't really know till he is a coach. In which case you would look for other characteristics like: being smart, having played qb, etc.
     
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  10. Sethdaddy8

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    Make it 2 heartbeats.
     
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  11. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Just because he is smart, has experience, and seems like a teacher at heart. He would be better than anyone throughout the years on any nfl team that got their foot in the door at a position coach job with no experience.
     
  12. ckparrothead

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    Pennington has some good advice but I wonder if he's actually watched the tipped passes in question because I don't think the situations he's talking about are the ones where Tannehill is getting his passes tipped.
     
  13. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    No offense but i think penny not saving Henne is a moot point. Doesn't mean he wouldn't be good at the job. Its basically a teaching job. Not all students "get it" from their teachers, others do.
     
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  14. Bpk

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    So I cant blame my teachers? Damn.

    Lol.
     
  15. Fin D

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    No, but you could blame your parents.....we do......:shifty:
     
  16. Nappy Roots

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    He wasn't the QB coach. He can't over rulethe QBs teachings. And Henne was never going to be a good QB, so you can't fault him because of multiple reasons.
     
  17. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    This is true. Chad Henne was a 4 year starter in college and was the same exact player, and made the same mistakes as a senior that he did as a true freshman. I think it's safe to say he just wasn't very smart, or didn't really care. Either way, he was never going to get it and that should of been obvious before wasting a 2nd round pick on him.
     
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  18. Nappy Roots

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    How was Penny the teacher?
     
  19. bbqpitlover

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    Isn't Pennington a coach in the Jets system?
     
  20. djphinfan

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    Tannehill doesn't think there's much you can do about them..said it twice in his presser, attributed the occurrence to JJwatts talent.
     
  21. Colmax

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    Would you elaborate?
     
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  23. djphinfan

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    I agree with Pennington in that it's a body repositioning issue.
     
  24. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    ### Interesting how two former NFL quarterbacks can offer completely different takes on how to fix Ryan Tannehill's tipped ball issues.
    ESPN's Trent Dilfer said on a conference call Wednesday that the problem is not "correctable on Tannehill's side. It's correctable by having a little bit more multiplicity offensively, a little bit more play action change launch point. The guys with the quickest releases don't get balls knocked down, and he has one of the quickest releases, so it doesn't really make sense. Ryan Tannehill should not get a lot of balls knocked down because one of the big misnomers is a high release is what allows you to not get balls knocked down. That's totally false."
    But Chad Pennington, on his 790 The Ticket talk show, said the key is "a high release point and getting it on your front foot." He said the quarterback "has to find a way to get it done and eliminate it as much as possible."
     
  25. CrunchTime

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    ### Pennington, by the way, told 790 The Ticket that he would not have traded Brandon Marshall because "I don't think you can justify giving away 100 receptions regardless of the type of things you may have to deal with off the field."
     
  26. shouright

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    IMO you justify it by realizing this team's stage of development, with a first-year head coach and a rookie QB. You give up those 100 receptions if the person making them stands to interfere significantly with the development of the team culture under the first-year head coach, and the effective leadership of the offense by the rookie QB.

    On some other team you don't give up those 100 receptions, but on this one you do.

    Even Chad Pennington has trouble placing this issue in its context. The good news is that Joe Philbin doesn't.
     
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  27. rafael

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    I disagree with CP on RT's release. While in general the advice is good, it was not something that would have prevented the tipped passes in the Texan's game. It sounds like CP probably did not watch the game.

    I agree with CP on Marshall. I did not see a guy who interfered with the on-field culture that Philbin is looking for. And obviously he was very productive.
     
  28. jw3102

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    I don't think anyone could save Henne. He just isn't a starting QB in the NFL. Right now he is the backup QB for the Jacksonville Jaguars. If other NFL teams actually thought he was a starting QB, they would have signed him this past off season when he was a free agent. Pennington certainly can't be blamed for Henne's failure to become a quality starting QB in the NFL. All the blame for that, goes to Henne.
     
  29. WhiteIbanez

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    As high up as Watt was getting you would have to throw around him or be ten feet tall to use the technique Pennington is describing.
    I don't think he watched the game either.
     
  30. shouright

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    Any coach should be trying to develop a team-first culture, not a me-first one, and a first-year head coach who has no reputation preceding him is going to have a lot more trouble doing that when one of his best players is a me-first guy.
     
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    I don't see Marshall as a me-first guy. I see a guy with some maturity issues in the past, but since coming to Miami has been an extremely hard worker. I don't recall any negative practice or game situations where he acted me-first.
     
  32. Fineas

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    Really?

    He pouted and complained when he didn't get the ball as much as he wanted. He drew some stupid personal fouls and delay of game (for throwing balls to the sideline after the play) in similar circumstances. He criticized his QBs. Etc.
     
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  33. rafael

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    I wouldn't characterize him as pouting and everything else you mentioned was minor compared to how much production he had and how he affected coverage. I just wish we'd had a QB that could have taken advantage of those affects. IMO if CP had been here with Marshall, he and Bess/Hartline would have been a great passing group.

    As far as the trade, there were IMO, some legit reasons that it made sense for Miami. Specifically, the size of his contract and his inconsistency in route running and his drops. You balance those against his 80+ catches and 1000+ yards and his impact on coverage. I don't agree that he was a me-first player or that he did not work hard or was a negative in the locker room and there weren't any reports that contradict that. So the balance is between those other factors. I can understand both sides of that balance. I just feel that we lost more than we got. Personally, I would have been okay the trade if we had been more aggressive in finding his replacement, but we did it in a lukewarm FA WR market and we didn't address the need with any high draft pick. That left the WR corp with Hartline/Bess and a couple of late round picks and lower tier FAs. I like Hartline and Bess, but that leaves you very vulnerable to injury and with little hope that anything else you have can step in. I think that's CP's point as well.
     

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