"We Sure Could Have Used Vontae Today"

I think people fail to realize Carson Palmer played a subpar game and still almost had about 400 yds against us. Just sayin'.............

 

Disagreeing with you is a personal attack?

 

I doubt even St Jeff thinks Stanford is close to equal of Davis. If he is, then apparently the Panthers missed it too.

 

Based on the intelligence and sophistication that's evident in the way they communicate and carry themselves, considering more than just the Hard Knocks episode. I would venture to say that Vernon Davis's IQ is about 20 points higher than Vontae's (Vernon = 105, Vontae = 85). If you understand IQ to indicate a capacity to learn, you'll see why there could be a dramatic difference in the trajectory of their careers based on that characteristic alone.

Anyway, aside from all the specifics, which are simply guesses, the main point is that the contention that Vontae Davis should be given time to develop because it took his brother time, and they're likely to be very similar people, could very well be invalid because they in fact appear to be completely different people in at least one very relevant and important way.

 

we gave up 375 yards passing, just saying. Hey I like the VD trade, but he is still a solid player, and we are pretty thin right now.

 

Your OP said no one thought we could have used VD today.
I thought we could have used him and so did others by the comments in this thread so your OP was not correct.

Many of us aren't going to see eye to eye on the controversial moves this off season and I'm not sure the point of bringing them up after every game.

Honestly I didn't think SS24 or Marshall looked that great yesterday, especially in the first half.

 

This is approaching the comical stage.

Seriously..HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT?

BTW, isn't a 85 IQ borderline mental ******ation?

 

I don't know that. I said they were guesses.

No. It's one standard deviation below the mean (100), which would put him at the 16th percentile. In other words, out of every group of 100 people you went out and gathered at random, on average 84 of them would have a higher IQ than him.

Mental ******ation is an IQ of 70 or lower, which would put someone at the 2nd percentile or lower.

 

Just looks like more continual speculation, made in an attempt to justify the trading of Davis.

 

Personally I think because it was a 2nd round pick that I think will be in the top forty and add in the fact that I don't think Vontae Davis will ever "get it" the way that his brother did... I am fine with the trade. But I can understand why people would be upset.

 

The guy forgot the definition of "act" for crying out loud. He certainly doesn't appear to be the sharpest tool in the shed.

 

I've met Zach Thomas. Which is to say that I have had conversation and Beers with him. There might not be a "smarter" football player in Dolphins history. Let me say that his level of intelligence is not much different than Vontae's.

These are football players. The stereotypes are true. Trust me.

 

Buddy of mine went to high school with Aaron Hernandez. Guy is dumb as a box of rocks. Pretty good TE. Apparently nice as hell. When he was back up here in CT during the off-season, he paid everyone's tab at the bar.

 

Dexter Manley couldn't read for Christs sake and he was a damn good football player. What does one have to do with the other? Go bow to your Jeff Ireland shrine

 

Of course it is. You're correct.

 

Granted we gave Palmer all day to throw back there yesterday, but He still burned us for 370++ I believe? that is a washed up Carson Palmer who couldn't really give a **** with a receiving Corp. as thin as ours. We probably could have used the help from Davis...just being honest.

 

This made me laugh.

 

But 65 yards came on one a play that Danby should have made the tackle and several more yards were picked up in garbage time.

 

Also, it has been mentioned before, but I'm not sure if someone said it in this thread or not. Vontae Davis scored a 33 on the wonderlic. I'm not saying it would be impossible for a 33 wonderlic to translate to an 85 IQ...but it would be pretty insane if that were the case.

 

That's only one point lower than Tannehill.

I wonder if there are other factors at play that are coloring people's perception of Vontae's intelligence.

 

I've heard it said by people that know Vontae Davis that he's really just a very unique personality in that he acts like a child and is very genuine. And I don't mean he acts necessarily like the petulent ******* children you see at the mall that make you want to punch your own testicles. I mean sort of the whole childlike innocence and wonder thing. I would never call him mature. But I don't know for a fact whether he's smart or dumb. I know it raised some eyebrows when he scored a 33 on the wonderlic.

 

I fail to see how that isn't a personal attack.

I don't see how anyone can say that if you have two football players of equal talent you wouldn't want the more intelligent one. ESPECIALLY on defense.

I'm not saying Vontae is stupid or guessing his IQ, just a general statement.

 

You especially won't hear that vs. a Carson Palmer led offense. That deal is going to see that franchise back for quite some time.

 

I don't put much stock in IQ scores. IMO they only test narrow band of intelligence while there are multiple types of intelligence. That being said, I would say that it's very likely that Vontae will never get it. I have/had no problem with the trade. I expect that we were most likely not going to re-sign him next year anyways. As for needing him this game, we could always use another body at CB, but it was no big deal, IMO. VD clearly didn't fit the type of player Philbin wanted. There's value in having the right types in the locker room.

 

[video=youtube;uNqeocVi_hE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNqeocVi_hE[/video]

 

Vontae called his agent during the Wonderlic.

Agent Granmuv.

[video=youtube;fznJno-TyT4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fznJno-TyT4[/video]

 

Agree with every point.

I do wish VD the best in Indy. Hopefully he matures into a consistent professional, Pro-Bowl guy.

 

Disagree with IQ scores if you wish, but they're very strongly predictive of success in life, especially as you get further from the average range.

Ironically, you'd probably find that his IQ would predict that better than anything else.

 

A personal attack? Youre kidding right? Perhaps you need to be a little less sensitive

 

My IQ is 144 and I'm an unsuccessful loser at this point a lot of people with high IQ's do absolutely nothing in life....while a lot of people with lower IQ's become very successful (though not usually in fields like science).

It means something but it doesn't indicate success or failure.

 

I'm not offended at all. My point is that maybe you should post something relevant to your opinion or the thread instead of making a statement like that which provides absolutely nothing other than self gratification for you.

 

These are the people for whom the "ignore" function was intended. Tune the guy out of the forum for you. Certainly don't respond and make him feel like he has an audience.

 

I didn't say the correlation was 1.0.

Like I said, if Vontae truly does not get it, his IQ would probably be the best predictor you could find of that.

 

That's debateable. IQ scores also are a factor of test taking motivation. In studies that consider that, the statistical corellation between IQ tests and success is lower than in the earlier studies that found a higher correlation. IMO IQ scores mean more at the extremes and in technical jobs, but less for most people in the normal range and in a profession like football player.

 

I think Marino scored like a 16 on his wonderlic. It has no bearing on him being a good football player

 

I disagree completely with IQ being a primary reason for a guy "getting it". There's a difference between intelligence and emotional intelligence. Most of your CEO's, lawyers, detectives, hell, even con-men have very high emotional intelligence. What CK was discussing with Vontae's attitude would suggest his EI is very low.

 

I think the point wasn't that having a low IQ is prohibitive of being a good football player. I believe the point was that having a low IQ is prohibitive of having the type of self-evolution that would result in a dramatic shift in how one approaches the game.

Vontae Davis is a good football player. But IMO he was a good football player as a rookie. He hasn't really gotten better IMO, and I don't see anything that indicates that will happen.

 

There is no valid measure of emotional intelligence. Good ol' IQ is going to be your best predictor of success for people like Vontae.

Your capacity to learn indeed has wide-ranging implications for your life, like it or not.

 

I don't see how you can A) Assume Vontae has a low IQ and B) Assume that it will correlate here. There are so many examples of high IQ people who don't succeed in life for a variety of reasons. I also think you're downplaying EI simply because there's no way to accurately measure it. It's clear that Vontae is immature.