The Trenches: The Dolphins are a Very Talented Team

Do you plan on addressing this screw up on your Section?

 

You are having a terrible time comprehending.

there were 13 basketball games where the Heat performed better without Wade. There were 7 football games where the Dolphins performed better without Marshall.

The win percentage for the Heat without Wade was .846. The Win percentage for the Dolphins without Marshall was .714.

I HOPE I don't have to keep explaining everything to you.

 

Certainly I don't think bringing coaches into this is going to end up being a strong supporting argument for Marshall.

 

Read above.

Do you plan to send me your transcripts from High School/college to prove you took Math classes?

 

Reggie Bush. Reggie is on pace for 72 receptions and 568 yards.

 

KB argued FOR THEM. quote his post.

 

We both know you did not type that with a straight face. There is no real comparison here. None.

 

Yep.

Definitive enough for you?

 

Danny Amendola is on pace for 160 catches, 1,840 Yards and 16 TD's.

 

Do you understand what a sample size is? You were given his entire career in Miami, and you claimed 13 basketball games was comparable. Its borderline short bus.

 

perfect comparison.

You're trolling.

 

You attributed a difference in performance to coaches. My point here is that coaches don't want to coach Marshall.

 

his entire career is 7 games?

 

It's far too soon to be worrying about Engew. Jermichael Finley only caught 6 passes as a rookie, and was kept buried 3rd on the depth chart behind the likes of Donald Lee, and Tory Humphrey. He played 88 snaps all season. Finley was considered a more developed TE coming out of college too.

For the first 8 weeks of his rookie season, Jimmy Graham had 5 catches for 49 yards, and played very sparingly.
For you to be concerning yourself that Egnew is a bad pick already is needlessly looking for an excuse to find something wrong.

 

Perfect comparison for what? You are pulling things so far out of your *** its covered in roasted pork and stripper glitter.

 

I'm not going to generalize about all receivers, but it can easily be taken a few steps further with regard to Marshall. When he left Denver, their offense had no drop off from what it had been with him the year before. Similarly, the Dolphins passing game didn't improve in 2010 with Marshall from what it was in 2009 without him. I don't know that he truly makes an offense worse, but whatever positive effect he may have is far less than many people seem to believe even after all our experience with him.

 

No, I am making an excuse for Wade lacking much of an impact in a sample size twice the size of yours.

 

He's still playing. and getting paid a lot too.

 

Sigh.

So yeah, I'll send you my transcripts if you want, but I'm not sure you could read them, since you couldn't handle this little nugget the first 2 times it was posted in this thread.

 

Fine, but I disagree, particularly since there were WR available at that pick who would likely be contributing. When GB took Finley and NO took Graham they both already had alot of playmakers and didn't need those guys to contribute right away.

We aren't in the same position. We needed production out of that pick. Certainly we might get it at some point, but that doesn't help us right now.

 

That's been my point all along. Trading him...well yeah, ok... you got 2 3rds, but then to only sign Naanee leading up to the draft, then giving the position secondary consideration by waiting til the 6th round, and finally signing Chad as more or less an afterthought in mid June, is an atrocious effort to replace him.

 

Ahhhh so you do still show up over there......!!!

 

People that have never worked with statistics and mathematics in their lives are questioning the one that works with them every day on what a sample size is.

Okay...show me the cameras already.

 

You must be on the short bus, hating on Ireland in an irrational manner, while ruining your reputation.

 

I wouldn't be so quick to assume what people do for a living.

 

Good points. Also, Antonio Gates caught 24 passes as a rookie. Shannon Sharpe caught 7 passes and had just 2 starts as a rookie. Tony Gonzalez caught 33 and had no starts as a rookie.

 

I know what those arguing about sample sizes do.

 

LOL, history is not something you can change there Captain Stats.

I'm questioning you over the fact that you think comparing 13 basketball games Wade didn't play in is analogous to 32 games Marshall did play in. If you brag about being a stats guy, then making that point should, unquestionably ruin your rep.

 

Dante Rosario is on pace to score 24 TD's this year.

 

I don't think that's what we're looking for, and I don't think it's what Philbin and Co. are looking for.

You want to believe that Brian Hartline is a good #1 or producing good production as your top WR. Fine, I'll even get on board with that. But you're going to need another guy on the other side. You wanna call Bess that guy, Fine. I can live with that too, although I prefer he be in the slot.

Thing is, you're going to need a 3rd receiver that produces at least a little bit. And that's why LH's point was very good. Thinking that 3rd guy is your checkdown receiving RB who is averaging 7 YPC isn't really optimal.

We need Armstrong to be that guy (as it's evident Nannee is incapable), and if he can't be then we need to find another guy.

KB, I generally agree that you don't need prolific receivers to be successful. That it's mostly the QB who makes the receivers. But you do need competence. And we have 2 competent guys at the moment. I think you need at least 3. Bush, doing what he's doing, is a great compliment to 3 competent receivers.

 

sigh.

13 games to 7 games. Not 32. (Comprehension part of the post) My sample size being larger helps my case.

BTW, you should really stop with the sarcasm and insults.

 

So, you consider Donald Lee and Tory Humphrey to have been playmakers at TE? Granted NO had Shockey, but they played a lot of 2 TE formations and their #2 TE was Dave Thomas, who's certainly nothing special.

 

No. It's not. That is a totally misplaced comparison.

 

Who's replacing Hartline's 2011 role then? Let's see how closely they both maintain those paces for the rest of the season, before declaring the problem solved.

 

Donald Lee actually played very well for them for awhile and they had several good receivers.

Same thing with NO. they even had Shockey still at that point who was playing well.

I don;t know why it's controversial to suggest that it would really be helpful to us if we were getting any production out of our 3rd round pick. That's not asdking for much. I'm not complaining that Cunningham was cut or that Matthews doesn't contribute.

A 3rd rounder, on a team that needs all the playmakers it can get, should be contributing and it is dissapointing that he isn't. Mike Sherman agrees with me as I'm sure you watched Hard Knocks

 

By all means, please feel free to share the logic behind these expectations. At some point you need to draw the line, and I'm curious as to where that line is for most people.

 

That's horse**** on your part. You aren't comparing the same or similar sports, positions, amount of games, or if they even played in them. There is no comparison, no analog, no similarities no anything. You have no point other than to troll this topic.

 

But there is.

Hartline has taken over Marshall's production
Bess is taking on the same Bess production
??? is taking on Hartline's production

Basically:

Hartline = Marshall
Bess = Bess
???? = Hartline

We had 3 competent receivers. We now have 2 competent receivers.

Nannee has proven incapable. Armstrong, though hurt, hasn't proven a thing yet.

We've lost overall production at WR. And we need a 3rd guy to get it back. I think this is perfectly obejctive and evident, wouldn't you?

Not replacing Marshall with Bowe or Wallace...ok fine. No big deal. Not replacing Marshall with a competent receiver? not fine

 

A 3rd round pick should play. Top 100 picks in the NFL draft should contribute reasonably early.