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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by 2socks, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    We're not a good team, but we are a two offensive play makers away from dominating games like the one we lost today.
     
  2. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Fixed.
     
  3. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    100%. Heath Bell all over again.
     
  4. Rick 1966

    Rick 1966 Professional Hipshooter

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    Carpenter has always been undependable. He has made some long FGs but he's also missed some clutch ones.
    But we wouldn't have NEEDED to count on a Carpenter FG in OT if we had playmakers on offense that could score touchdowns. We wasted downs throwing to WRs and TEs that were nowhere near open. We do not have enough talent at WR, DB or LB to be a good team.
     
  5. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box


    He's been far from terrible though. I'm just glad they're finally trying to address the position but I don't see how you can come to the conclusion that he's a bust already. Or the day he was drafted...
     
  6. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Well to each their own. But game managers at best aren't worth top 10 picks to me.
     
  7. FanMarino

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    Jets playoff calibre? What game were you watching??
     
  8. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    I never said anything about him being a bust. I said I feel he's GOING TO BE at best a game manager like Alex Smith, that you can still win with as long as you don't have Jeff Ireland as your GM. The whole point of bringing up Tannehill was the OP's thought we're close to competing. We're not. We either need a franchise QB that can take games over, which I don't feel Tannehill will ever be, or we need a real GM to put together a team that Tannehill is capable of managing, which Ireland isn't, and never will be.
     
  9. Ozzy

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    Sure he was. Even some of the better prospects don't pan out.
     
  10. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Reggie Bush is a play maker. Mike Pouncey is a play maker, Soliai, Dansby, and Jones as well. It's hard to see I admit, but we weren't 2 missed FGs away from winning today b/c of our skilled guys were we?
     
  11. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Dude you are killing me with the Tannehill bashing. It's really killing any credibility that may or may not have been established.
    At one time in this game Sherman shut him down and became extremely conservative. I saw no reason for it at all.
    If you are going to blame a greenhorn for today fine. Ryan made the mistake on the pick six but was pretty damn good most of the day.
    I'll take that from a kid but pinning the blame on him is really knee jerk.
    Like the Texans game Sherman should just flat out know better.
     
  12. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I agree. It's been three games and Tannehill hasn't set the NFL record for TD's yet. What a bum.
     
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  13. Ozzy

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    Fair enough but saying he isn't that guy would mean he's a bust at the slot he was picked.
     
  14. GMJohnson

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    I'm glad you realize that we played two teams who looked hideous. I think we should have a discussion on why those teams looked hideous vs us.
     
  15. byroan

    byroan Giggity Staff Member Administrator Luxury Box

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    He isn't a game manager.

    Sent from my Samsung Epic 4G using Tapatalk.
     
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  16. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    I was impressed with Tannehill, mainly on his final 2 drives. He didn't seem scared at all, and completed a long pass, to set up the game winning attempt in the first place.


    The pick 6 was bad, but rooks make mistakes. It happens.


    /not to mention he was playing without Reggie in the 2nd half.
     
  17. Ozzy

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    To be fair, RT was not pretty damn good today! For a rookie he was decent but his touch and accuracy has to improve. The mental part of his game seems really good though.
     
  18. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    You know, I ain't even mad. I easily could be, but the reason we lost was pretty much where we know We were weak. Maybe next year.
     
  19. Ozzy

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    All very good and reasonable points. Especially the mental aspect of his game. What I see, and I know he is really raw at this point, but he has a really quick release and if he can start hitting guys in stride he could be dangerous. If he doesn't, it's going to be tough for him.
     
  20. Rouk

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    I dunno but sean smith pisses me off still gets beat like a drum the jets could of had way more points if sanchez could throw at all the jets might as well start tebow with the way sanchez throws lol
     
  21. GMJohnson

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    All good points.

    We should have put the Jets away but we couldn't move the ball and run clock. We missed FGs. We gave their offense good field position 4 or 5 times with a chance to drive for the win. That should never happen and once we get some play makers on offense it won't.
     
  22. djphinfan

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    He had a bad game imo, was slow to process, not seeing the whole field.
     
  23. WhiteIbanez

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    It's a work in progress for a kid who is being misguided by an OC. Par for the course in Miami.
     
  24. jw3102

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    I went to the game today and what I saw was a team with some good players and a lot of other players who just aren't good enough. Hanging with the Jets is not a big deal, because the fact is that the Jets aren't a very good football team. They are merely one of the numerous mediocre teams in the NFL.

    The Dolphins have a good offensive line and a strong defensive line. The LB's are good against the run and below average against the pass. The secondary remains a major weakness on this team it appears there is no one in the secondary who can make a big play when the game in on the line. Until there are major upgrades in the secondary, the Dolphins will continue to remain a mediocre team in the AFC.

    On offensive, Tannehill still has a long way to go, but he does look like he will eventually figure it out. Once Bush left the game today, the Dolphins offense didn't look the same. Thomas is a back who can get a few yards at a time, but he isn't a threat to break a long run. Miller should have been used more in the second half, IMO.

    The WR position continues to be a major problem. Bess is really the only receiver who can be counted on from week to week. Hartline had one catch today and he had trouble getting open the rest of the afternoon. No other WR on the team is really a factor in the passing game. When your main option as a receiver in a game is Fasano, you have a problem.


    The history of the Dolphins over the past three seasons is that they find a way to lose games, they should win. That is what they did today. Good teams find a way to win games like the game today. Just saying that the Dolphins are a "good team", certainly doesn't mean they are.

    I have said all along that it is all about wins and losses. The Dolphins are presently 1-2 and in last place in the AFC East at this time. They may end up being a good team before the season is over, but right now, they are NOT a good football team.
     
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  25. GMJohnson

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    LOL.

    You've been saying all along that we were terrible. Three weeks into the season, we aren't terrible, and Voila, you knew all along we'd be mediocre. Must be nice.
     
  26. BigDogsHunt

    BigDogsHunt Enough talk...prove it!

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    not even close....but that wont stop some folks from throwing out labels.
     
  27. Vendigo

    Vendigo German Gigolo Club Member

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    Could you really? I'm seriously worried that I'm slowly growing numb. Used to be I was all giddy and stuff when game day came around; nowadays, I'm just bracing for impact.
     
  28. GMJohnson

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    Its a lot easier to make "good throws" when you have receivers who can create separation and/or make difficult catches in traffic.
     
  29. shouright

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    And there's your difference, at the present time.

    If Mark Sanchez's game hadn't been so bad, Ryan Tannehill's 50 QB rating would've gotten us blown out.
     
  30. RickyNeverInhaled

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    Our pass rush isn"t as bad as you are implying. They dominate The offensive line and get to the QB a split second late consistently.
     
  31. WhiteIbanez

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    Or just catch the ball when you are open. RT put the ball right in Armstrong's hands and he dropped a big third down play. Lets pin that one on the QB.
     
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  32. emocomputerjock

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    I still could be, if it weren't for the usual reasons. I mean, garbage wrs and bad safeties mean you're gonna lose winnable games. If we had Wallace, Bowe and Earl Thomas out there I'd be mad, but this team is what is Ireland said it is right now. Can't. Start getting mad until the fail is on the talent not living up to expectations.
     
  33. jw3102

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    I agree. Many fans are blaming Sherman, but Tannehill just didn't play a good game today. It certainly wasn't Sherman's fault that Tannehill threw the interception which was returned for a TD. Tannehill never took his eyes off the receiver on that play and the safety read the play all the way. Many fans are also blaming Sherman for the throws to Hartline in OT. The fact is that Tannehill has the right to check off a play and call another one if he sees fit to do so. He checked off on several plays during the game. If he didn't feel Hartline was open, he could have always checked down to another receiver.

    This is merely part of the learning process of an NFL rookie QB. The fans on here just seem to always want to blame the coaches or the OC, instead of placing the blame on the players on the field. The fact is that if the players on the Dolphins had made the plays at the end of the game, the coaches would not be taking shots from the fans. Many of these same players have failed to make the plays necessary to win games for the past few years, and they did it once again today. Perhaps it is time to accept that maybe it's the players and not the coaches which are the real problem.
     
  34. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    I don't know, I thought we played fairly well. Just a bad day by Carpenter really.

    I don't think I would have come away from that game confident, even if we would have won. Jets blew some easy throws and catches.

    Tough loss is all...
     
  35. GMJohnson

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    I dunno what a "good team" is but we definitely need help at WR and TE. Our defense was damn good today, and all year so far, IMO. If you want a TD on them you'll have to pry it from their cold dead hands.
     
  36. ASUFinFan

    ASUFinFan Uh huh

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    I felt at the time, that in the first quarter, they really needed that fg to be a touchdown. Can't settle, gotta punch that in. And in the second half, with Reggie banged up, and the first two offensive plays being a pick 6 and a fumble, I felt they played conservative until that last drive in regulation when they were then DOWN. Can't play like that. You play not to lose, and you usually lose. Missed opportunites by Carpenter, all on him. I really thought Carp was going to hit that and we would win. Unfortunate. I was hoping for momentum heading into this Cardinals Dolphins game out here this week.
     
  37. shouright

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    The rookie QB is the issue, and the QB position has been the issue since Chad Henne's first season starting.
     
  38. GMJohnson

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    Agree 100%. We went away from the run at the exact moment when we needed it the most. Gotta re-watch the game to see why it happened, the coaches must have seen something they thought they could take advantage of. Or maybe they just put too much faith in the kicker.
     
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  39. jw3102

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    I expected Tannehill to have a major learning curve, simply because he is a rookie. I think in a few years he may be a quality QB, but it is going to take time. Of course the fact that the Dolphins have one of the worst receiving corps in the NFL, certainly does not help Tannehill at this time.

    On defense, the secondary is terrible. They have one interception in three games and they fail to make any impact plays when the game is on the line. I didn't see a single player in the secondary today who had a good game.
     
  40. emocomputerjock

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    They actually have 3 ints right now, but also a number of big plays.
     

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