Dumbest football move ever. How many times have we seen this backfire yet coaches still do it. I doubt a kicker ever really thinks about it one way or the other. Great job Philbin, you lost anyways. Has nothing to do with field goals more on just conservative play calling after the first quarter as usual.
Agree with you on icing the kicker, but conservative play calling? They were chucking the ball down field trying to win the game instead of just playing for the field goal. I liked the play calling except icing the kicker. Our kicker just didn't come through for us.
It literally just worked on carpenter like 45 seconds before, why wouldn't he do it? I'm not thrilled either but the decision made sense.
No, because they kicked it. You only get another chance if like you have a fumbled snap and the holder just falls on the ball.
You like throwing deep fade routes to Brian Hartline (who regardless of the Raiders game I still maintain is a terrible #2 option) on second and 8 when you only need a few yards to make a FG easier? Then running it on third down? If you think Carpenter can make it run it BOTH downs to get it closer, or call some higher percentage passes.
Let me backpedal a bit. I liked the fact that they were playing for a TD and not a field goal. The exact plays called, not so much. But I'm not going to get on the coaches. I think they did a good job of manufacturing points today despite a lack of talent on offense once Reggie went down.
Icing is the social media twitter/facebook crap fad of the NFL, once it dies off we will all be better for it.
Look up the stat.....Kicker make the kick 74% pre-iced, and 84% post-iced. Bottom line ...STOP ICING THE KICKER!!!! IT DONT MEAN CRAP!!! THANK'S JOE!!!!!
We will never know but it worked. I understand that we blocked the first kick, but I'm not sure that didn't happen because the whistle blew. I know the replay looked like they were playing full speed, but that really may not be the case. You can assume that just as much as you can assume that Carp would have missed either way.
I genuinely loathe the whole icing thing on a personal level. I don't think it's stupid, however. But if you're going to do it, let your special teams know. They likely aren't going to block two, so have them play with maximum effort on the try that actually counts, please.
Well no, there are a variety of studies on this and they are all pretty inconclusive. I don't know why people can't have a rational, logic-based opinion on this. If the kicker made the first one on the iced play then missed the second one, it would be genius... And it's virtually statistically as equally likely.
All in all for me....its not the icing....its the waiting for the last second for the snap to happen and thus a meaningless outcome because a TO is called.....if you want to ICE fine just call a TO and forget about it being so close to a snap attempt....thinking that matters is what has changed and been worse for the game where you want to call timeout so close to the snap, etc. Its stupid. ICE them if you want, just forget about this stupid one second crap, call the TO and delay the attempt. Its beyond silly to do it last second.
All this, and we're completely ignoring the fact that the Jets kicking unit had multiple people not engage because of the time out. A couple of guys just stand straight up. If Philbin doesn't call the time out the Dolphins probably don't block the kick attempt.
Is it different in college? I just remember Iowa blocking a UNI field goal a few years ago; UNI fell on it and they got a second chance to kick the field goal. I know rules in college/NFL are different but this one I wasn't sure on.
I dont recall that one, but it would only apply if the recovered block equated to change of possession like in the MIA vs DAL Thanksgiving day snow game with Leon Lett and opposing team touching it and then recovered by the team that attempted the FG. But normally teams kick on 3rd down late in game for botched snap, to fall on it, and then have 4th down to try again. college or pros, punts and attempted missed FGs (if not blocked) result in change of possession plays regardless of down.
Wait so if they kick it on 3rd and it is blocked but recovered by the kicking team, they can't rekick on 4th?!?!
The block doesnt count as a touch.....however, if another player would touch it, then yes, you an recover it and try again....ala Leon Lett snow game vs DAL. It wouldnt be 4th...it would be 1st down and only depending on time remaining, or desire, would you immediately kick it, etc. Its why most special teams coaches scream to get away from the ball on a blocked FG and just let the play die. But if 3rd down, and bad snap and no kick, you can fall on it, and call time out if you have a TO, or quickly set up and use 4th down to re-attempt since you never actually kicked it on 3rd down.
