We lost for a TON of reasons: #1 is Mike Sherman calling the game like a *****. Its like he doesn't know that the middle of the field exists! The jests watched the tape and saw that tannehill was most comfortable throwing outside the numbers and they wanted to take that away. Go back and looks at the few times that we used the middle of the field! There was success there and Sherman wants to keep throwing deep fades to Hartline like a jackass. 1st and 10 on the 35 and we get 5 yards while throwing a useless long ball to hartline (the same ****ing pass that failed twice before in regulation when we could have won it before OT). #2 is we lost Reggie Bush. He is our only playmaker on BOTH sides of the ball #3 is our lack of talent at d-line to get to the quaterback. Is there a stat that can show how much average time our opponents have to sit back in the pocket and jerk off? We had pressure on very, very few plays and when we did we couldn't finish it and get a sack. #4 our secondary is just bad. I don't even have to delve into this. #5 Dan Carpenter happened.
R. Marshall, 1 Illegal contact, and 1 PI extended drives, Nolan Carroll Illegal contact extended another, and Sean Smith Illegal contact extended yet another. But of course..we got the "benefit of calls."
All QB's miss TD's so cry me a river... And that wasn't a gift INT in the end zone. It was Sanchez not considering that it may have been a zone disguised as man and/or Clemons reading the route combo, dropping coverage on his man and making a play.
1st drive for Jets. They get a PI in their favor, then amass 3 yards before Nacho pick. 2nd drive for Jets. Get an illegal contact call. Gain 15 yards. Punt. 3rd drive. Another illegal contact call. Gain another 8. Punt. On their 6th drive, they get a PI in the end zone on 2nd and goal from the 4. Eventually they end up at the two and kick a FG. Are you saying that penalty helped them make a 20 yd FG instead of a 22 yarder? Too funny. So those penalties resulted in an additional 28 yards. Where you got your number is beyond me. It's all good. Really, it was a meaningless game. A win actually hurts your draft position. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
I'm not crying. I'm just trying to say that the Jets left a lot of points on the field. I guess it's ok to count two 46+ yard field goals and points you should have had though. I'm not looking to break balls. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
People who say we lost the game only because of Carpenter's missed field goals are naive and don't understand the game very well. It was a combination of reasons that cost us the game. 1. Questionable play calling - Sherman/Philbin seemed to go away from what was working at times. It is nice being unpredictable, but some of those long throws to Hartline late in the game when we needed a FG was strange. Philbin has to learn when to call timeouts and when not too....this was a problem Sparano also had. 2. Carpenter - Yeah he missed two FG's that he really has to make, but the Phins got Conservative and went away from what was working. 3. Tannehill - He had a pretty good game other than the Pick Six. That reminded me of throws Jay Fiedler used to make, especially the passes to the sidelines. 4. Bad breaks - If Reggie doesn't get hurt, I think we would have blown the Jets out just like we did with the Raiders. We lost it more than the Jets won it. But on to next week.
So in Jet land, extended drives don't take up clock, and add possessions? Why aren't you upset at hurting your own draft position, since you are in need of a QB? RT? RB? DE? LB?
Yeah, that pretty much covers it. Throw in a couple of dropped passes and it was a real team effort. It was a game we pretty much should have/could have had but didn't. Time to move on to Arizona.
I understand why people think that was a missed touchdown, but it really wasn't, IMO. Tannehill had no choice but to get knocked off his spot by the blitzing linebacker you see giving him chase, and Davone didn't break into the clear until after Tannehill was forced to get off his spot. Once that happened, it was too late. Then you're throwing across the formation into a blind area and that's just not wise. I don't know if any QB Coach would have corrected him on this one and said "You missed Bess".
Tanny missed a wide open Hartline twice which would have been Td's and Armstrong dropped one right in his hands that would have let him keep running into the night.
Why WOULD he be the first option? Just because he ended up open? Every play has four or five guys running routes, they're not necessarily the first in the progression. In this case that was always going to be a LATE DEVELOPING route. Simply put, Tannehill wasn't afforded the time to let that late developing route develop. A linebacker blitzed him.
in the end all your points mentioned are worthless since we overcame any of those and it came up to one kick to win it...missed it...carpenter = goat
I didn't see the play live, I don't think, but from the look of that pic it looks like one of those designed plays to throw back on purpose?
In the words of the moron Skip Bayless Dan 'Should of been a' Carpenter lost us this game. One miss is forgivable but two is not. Its is going to be hard for him to shake off these misses I am sure.
Carpenter is 72.7% from that distance in his career. As a comparison, that is comparable to Dwyane Wade's FT percentage. Yes, I was already celebrating the win when they lined up for it.
Somebody with Carpenter's experience would make that FG far more often than not, agreed? Did you see the kick Matt Prater made yesterday? 53 yards and the ball was still climbing when it went thru the goalposts.
Got to admit, I've never been this not upset after a loss to the Pests. This team has issues to be sure. We need some help at receiver and in the secondary. But what I see is an 8-8 team. It looks like we can hang with anybody. I feel very confident that next year we are going to be contenders. We were in position to win this game twice, nobody thought we were good enough to do that before the season, especially with a rookie QB & HC. We are witnessing the metamorphosis of this franchise and we just need to enjoy the show this year.
"More often than not" implies that sometimes the answer is "not". And no I didn't see Matt Prater's kick. Did you see that Matt Prater was only 3 of 7 from 40 to 49 yards in 2011?
Incidentally quoting the percentages is a little bit off just because the groupings you commonly see make no sense. A 40 yard field goal is grouped with a 49 yard field goal even though one is considered almost automatic and the other is considered pretty dicey. SO I mean, you can quote at me if you want the fact that Carpenter has made 72% of his field goals from 40 to 49 but as these particular kicks were 47 and 48 yard field goals I'm a little more inclined to track how Carpenter is from 50+. And the answer to that, is 8 of 15. He misses, he makes. It's near enough to a coin flip at that distance. If you as a team put yourself in situation to need a 48 yard field goal in order to not lose, you live with the outcome.
No to mention it all happens so fast. IIRC, Revis actually ran into the ref on this play which let Bess separate even further. There's no way any QB in the history of time could anticipate that happening.
Yeah you don't see that happening real time, even though Ryan surprises me often how much he sees real time. I think of Bess' route on that play as a low priority contingency. If the blocking held up and Tannehill hadn't found options, then there's a great chance Bess comes free on the other side of the formation against his man coverage. But that route pretty much by its own nature can't possibly be your first read or first priority. And the chances of the blocking holding up in that area of the field long enough for Bess to squirt free are pretty low, which is why I say "low priority contingency". When the Jets decided to blitz an ILB, the chances of being able to hit that route dropped almost to zero, IMO.
They aren't but two opportunities , no weather conditions really and to miss both the same way is on the K imo. I expect one if not both to be made , and as you pointed out he was placed in a winning position and simply missed , in the same way he had previously . Lots of reasons we could have won, this is the main one imo.
I give play calling the nod as the biggest determing factor. Yes, kicks should have been made. But playcalling was most definitely questionable.
it seems to me that missing most of preseason hurt Hartline's productivity a little in this one - it's one thing to separate against OAK's CB3, another thing to do it against someone that would be CB1 on most teams in the league. against OAK, Tannehill was staring Hartline down, but against NYJ (especially with Reggie out) it seemed to me that the safeties were quicker to read who he was passing to. Tannhill has a ways to go in terms of development, and looking off coverage is going to be one of the later things he learns. on the plus side, i did like what i saw from the LBs.
And if Sherman didn't stop running the ball we would have had over 300 yards on the ground, it goes both ways.
You have no idea how happy I was every time Tannehill went back to pass. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
You have no idea how much I laugh at everything Snachez does. He is horrible and on his way down. Enjoy Tebow time!
You took what I wrote the wrong way. Miami's best shot of producing offensive yards was by running the ball. The best shot of them turning the ball over was passing it. I wanted them to pass, not because Tannehill sucks, but because the strength of your offense is the running game. Jets were pretty dead until your passing game handed them 7. Sent from my EVO using Tapatalk 2
