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Richard Marshall injured, may not play vs Cardinals.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Sep 27, 2012.

  1. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Well, Marshall has not impressed me, but I don't think he has been terrible.

    Nolan Carrol though..he has caught the infamous "Dolphins Db slips down allowing play to be made" syndrome.
     
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  2. Anonymous

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    It's ridiculously annoying, isn't it? All our defensive backs slip yet the opponent's receivers do not. I can recall at least 5 slips by our defensive backs last week.
     
  3. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    Because we weren't talking about Santonio Holmes or anything....
     
  4. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    Yeah he made up for his awful DPI. How many DPI did he have last week?
     
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  5. Lee2000

    Lee2000 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Interesting that with this situation coming to fruition where Marshall might not play Ireland signs a linebacker and a safety. He does have time to add a corner to the roster. But I find that interesting that he would go into the game against the Cardinals with their receiver corp with four healthy corners.
     
  6. Disnardo

    Disnardo Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Fitz would have had a good game anyways... He and Andre Johnson are of the same mold...
     
  7. Disnardo

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    Reminds me so much of Allen...
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Thing was, Jason Allen did create turnovers, Carroll has not (?).

    And perhaps someone can splain this to me:

    This is a RAC/YAC league, why are Cb's viewed purely in terms of coverage skills and not tackling ability?

    Once again, to me, fans and the NFL sort of has that wrong, passes will be completed in this league, the idea is to stop YAC/RAC from consistently hurting the defense.
     
  9. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    QBR doesn't tell the whole story. If the DBs coverage is so good a pass isn't even attempted, there is no way to measure that other than visual observation of every DB on every play.
     
  10. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not true. :lol:
     
  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Nothing in week 17 last year.
     
  12. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Wrong. He played 63 snaps in week 17 last year, with 31 being pass plays.
     
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  13. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    As far as I'm concerned, given the fact that Marshall is hurt, and that Carroll and Wilson have sucked in coverage, Ireland has egg all over his face for the Davis trade. Oh sure, some here would have you believe we couldn't use Davis right now, but that is 100% total baloney. :angry:
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    Davis is injured, wouldn't be able to play thus weekend.
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    You are mistaken. He was benched because of his behavior on the field.
     
  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If he'd never been traded, it's possible he'd not gotten injured. What kind of injury is it?
    Don't bother answering that. He has an ankle injury and they have a bye this weekend so probably won't miss any games.
    That hardly justifies the decision to trade him though.
     
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  17. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He played 63 snaps whether you want to believe it or not. Their offense played 72 total, so he missed 9.
     
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  18. padre31

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    Mr C, what are you thinking?

    Draft picks are far more important than actual proven players, ask any NFL draft fan...:lol:
     
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  19. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    of course.......because the pepsi challenge in this regard doesn't help you....

    But that is who ripped us apart last week. Kinda relevant no?

    One guy ..Vontae..owned Santonio....the other..Marshall got smoked by him. Just facts.
     
  20. Stringer Bell

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    So he was benched. Glad we could resolve that.
     
  21. Stringer Bell

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    Relevant? Sure. Indicative of anything larger than one data point? No. You shouldn't use statistics to support a player that is statistically dead last by some measures.


    Yes, he owned the guy moping around. Marshall was "smoked" for 80 yds. That doesn't make the sky purple, Vontae Davis worth a draft pick, or even a starting spot.
     
  22. MrClean

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    He was out of the game for 9 plays. Big ******* deal. He had a bad game for the 63 plays he was in.
     
  23. MrClean

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    QBR doesn't tell the whole story. If the DBs coverage is so good a pass isn't even attempted, there is no way to measure that other than visual observation of every DB on every play.
     
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  24. Anonymous

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    True but Marshall does have a better coverage rating than Davis along with the better QB rating. He's been better so far.
     
  25. MrClean

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    I've no qualms about agreeing with that. My complaint is this situation we are now in regarding our CBs was made worse than it needed to be by Davis being traded. Even though Marshall is currently doing better, Davis' PFF coverage rating of -0.3 is the same as Sean Smith and Jimmy Wilson, and better than Carroll at -2.4.
    Considering the injury status of Marshall and apparently Carroll, we are looking very thin at corner. Had we kept Davis we'd be much less thin. It just bugs me how so many want to defend Ireland, by saying Marshall replaced him and is doing better, when in actuality, Stanford is the new corner in the group who was added after Davis was traded. He can't even get on the field.
    I know there is that tired old argument that the draft pick next year is more important, which sounds to me like putting the best possible 53 out there doesn't matter because we don't figure we can win enough to make the playoffs this year anyway. IMO, the entire trade was very shortsighted and indicated a loser mentality for 2012.
     
  26. Anonymous

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    That's fine. I was just debating Davis vs Marshall.
     
  27. MrClean

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    Honestly I do not know there is even a debate between those two. Whenever I've defended Davis, I've attempted to not do it at the expense of denigrating Marshall.
     
  28. dolfan32323

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    It was a good INT... unfortunately he didn't play well outside of that.
     
  29. rafael

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    I just don't see why you believe it has anything to do with defending Ireland. I see it as Philbin deciding that Davis didn't fit. Ireland's job is to put together a roster that fits what the coach wants. Overall I see Davis as a negative for Ireland. He shouldn't have been the pick to begin with. I see it as simplistic to say, "Ireland was the GM so it was his decision". Ultimately, it was but to make it that simple ignores reality. It was obvious that Philbin was unhappy with Davis as he demoted him. Davis clearly wasn't the kind of professional that Philbin wanted. Ideally, Davis would have become the player Ireland envisioned when he drafted him and been the professional that Philbin wanted. It didn't look like that was ever going to happen so getting something for a guy that was probably gone in a year anyways was worth it even if it left you a bit thin at the position. It was simply making the best of a bad situation, but that situation was all about Davis not fitting what Philbin wanted.
     
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  30. shouright

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    Ah, but you see the knock on Ireland is that he didn't REPLACE these players. So what he should've done is tell the Colts' GM to hold the phone while he shopped around for a replacement for Vontae, rather than jumping at the chance to land a 2nd-round pick for a rebuilding team in exchange for a player who had been demoted from the starting ranks.

    That damned Ireland. ;)
     
  31. brandon27

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    So, wait... mArshall may not play, we're already low on CB depth on the roster, and we've signed none of the guys we tried out this week, even if just for an extra body? Yikes... that doesn't sound promising.
     
  32. Alex44

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    You guys are funny.

    Even if Vontae had shut down Holmes every meeting it doesn't imply anything about his performance against the rest of the league or his contributions to the team on the scale of an entire season.
     
  33. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    Maybe he did shop around for a replacement but no one was available. No one really knows.
     
  34. Section126

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    right back at ya....

    and yes...allowing 80 yards to one guy and the decisive play is the very definition of getting "smoked." Some guys go 3 games without giving that up.
     
  35. Section126

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    For the record...I don't dislike Richard Marshall. When we signed him, I thought we fixed the FS position.

    Then they play him at CB. FML.
     
  36. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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  38. ckparrothead

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    Same here. To a T.
     
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  39. Lee2000

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    I am puzzled by the roster changes since the season started. They just simply puzzle me. Everything from Feinga to Baker to the DT from Florida State cut by Detriot. I am just puzzled. No receivers and no defensive backs other than Amaya, who I actually like.

    If you throw in the free agents, of which Marshall is included, it smells of incompetence. And I agree. Marshall was never really intended to be in the position he is in right now.

    Any one want to wager that Naanee make the entire season on the roster and has less than 10 catches (like Gates)? It is one bet I want to lose.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    I gotta say though, I'm picking Miami to cover in this one. I don't know if they've got the juice to win it but I think they'll cover and win the turnover battle. I think this could be one of those games the Cardinals win barely even though they turned the ball over and didn't produce turnovers. Miami's run defense against the Cardinals putrid run offense is one of those game-changing matchups because of how heavily Miami has the advantage. I think that's what will lead to winning the turnover battle for Miami. But in the end, one Larry Fitzgerald play or Pat Peterson punt return could be the difference.
     

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