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Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by pumpdogs, Sep 23, 2012.

  1. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Stuck for now is a familar story...
     
  2. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    Don't I know it.

    Maybe one day soon...
     
  3. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I said it last week and I'll repeat it again this week. He, like every other player on this team, needs to be held accountable for doing his job. He has missed 3 big kicks in the last 2 weeks. 51 yards is not a gimme, but it was in a dome and, well, it's his damn job to make those kicks. At what point does this team say enough is enough? I can see it getting to the point where Philbin elects not to kick FGs and instead puts the offense in a tight position where they need to convert on 4th down. If the coach can't trust his players, changes need to be made.
     
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  4. Jimmy James

    Jimmy James Ron Swanson

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    I'm not saying otherwise, but it makes no sense to trade a guy you can count on inside 40 yards for a guy who you can only count on from inside 35, for instance. The team should go look. If it finds somebody, make the move. If it doesn't, we're stuck.
     
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  5. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I agree. Carpenter will occasionally hit a big kick, but I am sure he has lost more games than he has won for this franchise. He seems to often lose focus on gimme 35 yard field goals. I for one would love to bring in a free agent Kicker like Neil Rackers to replace Carpenter. Two straight weeks Carpenter played a very big part in the Phins losing....instead of being 3-1, and in first place we are 1-3.
     
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  6. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    I guess you missed last week's game?....by my calculations he has had TWO bad games in a row. These guys are paid big bucks to do one thing....kick field goals. He can't blame the weather either....a miss last week in the 4th quarter under no pressure at all, followed by a shank in OT, and than he gets a chance to redeem himself this week and he does the exact same thing. Sorry....there are other kickers who will be happy to do the job like Neil Rackers or even are old former kicker, Olindo Mare.
     
  7. Roman529

    Roman529 Senior Member

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    Ummm, last week.
     
  8. Tin Indian

    Tin Indian Rockin' The Bottom End Club Member

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    Cut Carpenter? and bring in who? Like were gonna find a better kicker walking around the streets. I'm pissed at him too, and as tight as we're playing games his misses the last 2 weeks have been huge, but really who are you gonna replace him with?
     
  9. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    Your hate for the playcalling in the last game is both interesting and confusing. Aside from maybe a couple, i loved the playcalling.

    if we were watching the same game, aside from maybe 2 plays our run game was non existant, and our pass game was the best its been in......close to ever? so i have no clue what youre trying to say... if anything there was a bigger chance the run would have lost yardage... AZ was going all out anti-run..... hard.

    hwut

    people complain about vanilla play calling and playing to not lose in the old regime.... then complain when our new staff is not playing scared going for the win and going for big plays that makes the high end teams who they are...not to mention letting our QB sling it around like he should be...... veryyyyy interesting. as usual hindsight is 20/20

    How about.... the kicker doesnt miss 3+ field goals in 2 games that were all pretty much game winners..... and dont blame field position when he has made them in his sleep in the past....hes showing he is missing under pressure and not under pressure.. and its not like we are relying on 5 kicks per game like we used to..........make the kicks. make the kicks. make the kicks.
     
  10. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    We need to bring in competition during the bye week to either light a fire under his *** or search for his replacement next year.
    He has essentially killed two games for us in PERFECT weather with no excuses. Those kicks were all hooked, so this isn't about distance. From 16-0 to 13-7. If that wasn't a turning point in the game, I don't know what is. Furthermore, he was fully responsible for the loss last week against the Jets. Good weather, manageable distance and another shank.
     
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  11. gunn34

    gunn34 I miss Don & Dan

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    I agree with bring in another kicker to see what we have. Who knows...maybe Carpenter will wake up and be serious too.

    Remember, a kicker needs to kick the ball out of the end-zone too after PATs.
     
  12. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    got to bring someone in first & let the competition emerge legitimately
     
  13. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Finkle is Carpenter....Carpenter is Finkle?
     
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  14. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I can't believe that some individuals are actually blaming Carpenter for yesterday's loss. Yes, he missed one FG attempt from over 50 yards. He also made the two field goals he attempted earlier in the game.
    Like every Dolphin fan, I wish Carpenter had made his last kick, but he didn't.

    The fact is that the Dolphins still had a seven point lead with less than a minute to play and it was the defensive secondary who failed to make the plays to win the game. When two DB's are covering the WR on fourth and ten, and the WR still is able to get open for a TD. I have no idea how Carpenter can be blamed at all for the loss yesterday.

    I agree that Carpenter had a major role in the loss to the Jets last week. I just don't see how he gets any of the blame for the loss yesterday. If he had missed the kick at the end of the game, I could understand fans being upset with him.

    Carpenter certainly isn't as effective as he has been in the past. If the Dolphins feel they can find a better kicker on the open market. I have no problem with them trying to upgrade the position and if that means getting rid of Carpenter, so be it.

    I just can't blame him for the fact that the Dolphins lost yesterday. The offensive line and the running back failed to block effectively on the fumble and interception by Tannehill in the fourth quarter and in overtime. The secondary completely fell apart with the game on the line. Those are the reason the team lost yesterday. Not because Carpenter missed a 51 yard FG attempt earlier in the game.
     
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  15. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    He doesn't deserve all the blame, but a missed kick is a missed kick no matter what point of the game it happened in. If we got those 3 points in the 1st, 2nd, 3rd, or 4th quarter it doesn't make a difference. A missed FG in the 1st half is just as big as a missed FG in the 2nd half.
     
  16. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Of course the three points would have been nice. He gets paid to kick field goals and he missed one. I am not debating that. I just feel that even with that missed FG, the Dolphins still had a seven point lead with less than 40 seconds to go in the game. Two defensive backs were covering one WR on a fourth down play. All they had to do was stop the WR from catching the ball and the Dolphins win the game. The Cardinals WR beat TWO defensive backs with the game on the line and that is what caused the game to go into overtime.

    In overtime, the middle of the OL and the running back failed to block for Tannehill and Tannehill threw an interception when he was hit, trying to pass the ball. The Cardinals were able to move into FG range from there and this led to them kicking the winning FG.

    Carpenter never got a chance to kick in overtime. If you want to blame him for missing one out of three FG attempts yesterday, I'm fine with that. It is his job to make field goals. It is also the job of the DB's to prevent TD passes and the OL to protect the QB. If the Dolphins are going to cut everyone who were responsible for the loss yesterday, there are going to be quite a few openings on the roster this week.
     
  17. dWreck

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    thats all well and dandy but everyone is talking about the last 2 games...not just the AZ game.... the threads wouldnt even be started because of the one missed kick in AZ if the jets game didnt go down that way..... if you want to just list the AZ game thats fine... but we arent. two games both with missed kicks that would have been the win. BACK TO BACK WEEKS. thats bad. spin it however you want. you cant do that.
     
  18. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I'm not saying we should cut him. I'm saying we should keep our eyes open for a replacement. And yes, I agree we should have won despite the missed FG. Arizona executed when it mattered and we didn't, plain and simple. I don't disagree with you.
     
  19. finfansince72

    finfansince72 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well we certainly need to find his replacement in the offseason, just cutting him and bringing in a leg off the street probably won't solve any of the issues right now. I'd say we are stuck with him until free agency or possibly the draft next year.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I do not know if that is certain. If he goes gets his mojo back for the next 12 games, I do not think he needs to be replaced. Sometimes kickers go through spots where they are not as reliable. Sometimes they bounce back and other times they turn into Olindo Mare.
     
  21. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    This thread is over a week old.
    I was talking about the play calling in the Jets game. Specifically the final drive in regulation and drive in OT.
     
  22. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    I think it's funny people think we need to bring in competition to get Carp motivated. As if the issue is Carp doesn't give a **** and thinks he's untouchable.

    I said it back on page 2 or 3 and I'll say it again. Kickers are the streakiest players in the NFL. They can play big one year and fall off the face of the earth the next. It's their nature. Rarely do you find a guy who's going to do it year in and out. Check out NE kicker. Gostkowski is one of the better kickers in the league. Guy has missed a bunch of kicks in the last few weeks.

    Fact is, we know Carp can kick. He's struggling right now. Does it really make a lot of sense to just dump him, given his upside? Let him work through it. We're not going to the playoffs anyway. Our season is over in that regard. Right now, we're in an extended preseason. Simply evaluating our players for the future.
     
  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    1. He is 10 of 13, with all 3 misses between 40 and 49. He is 2 of 2 over 50. Carp is 5 of 8 with 2 misses between the 40s and one miss over 50.

    2. When did you decide that?
     
  24. jw3102

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    I stated in earlier comments that if the Dolphins can find a better kicker on the open market, I would have no problem with them cutting Carpenter. I just think that Carpenter is getting too much of the blame for the loses against the Jets and the Cardinals. The players on the offense and defense failed to make plays in both those games which helped lead to the losing both these games.

    If you know of a free agent kicker who can come in and do a better job than Carpenter. Just E-mail Ireland and let him know who it is. I'm sure he would love to find a kicker who is going to make every kick he attempts.
     
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  26. ckparrothead

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    Dave Hyde pulled the stats together and Carpenter is only 10 of 25 from 46 yards or higher since 2010. That's pretty bad.

    Personally I hate blaming the kicker for losses like everyone seems to be doing with the Jets and Cardinals games. Field goal kicking from 45+ yards is pretty low on my list for why you lose any football game whatsoever.

    But at the same time, the Dolphins' decision to pay a kicker nearly $3 million a year to miss kicks from 46+ yards in distance...is a little confusing. Their decision not to give him valid competition in camp after finishing off the 2010 and 2011 seasons 10 of 22 from 46 yards or better is also confusing. Especially given the way Dan Carpenter arrived with the Dolphins, as a UDFA that beat Jay Feely out for the job because Feely was supposedly too expensive. Well, Feely is making between a million to a million and a half less money than Carpenter over in Arizona.

    So again, I don't see how you can make long field goals into the reason you lost a game when you probably shouldn't be counting on them to begin with, but at the same time I don't see why you're paying a field goal kicker 1/40th of your salary cap just so that you can be in the same boat as everyone else of not really counting on your guy to make kicks from 45+ yards.
     
  27. GreysonWinfield

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    I hate kickers.
     
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  28. ckparrothead

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    On the bright side, if Dave's numbers are correct it means that from 2010 to 2012 Dan Carpenter has been 18 of 20 on kicks from 40 to 45 yards in length. He just drops off severaly at 46 yards or longer.

    So if you're sitting at the 31 yard line on 3rd & 10, I hope Ryan Tannehill realizes that 5 or 6 yards are pretty meaningful.
     
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  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    One thing that pains me about Carpenter is the kicker with the most consecutive FGs currently is Barth with 25. Before he missed tonight, the 2nd longest streak was Feely at 19. Both guys we cut to keep Carpenter.
     
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  30. the 23rd

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    at least find someone to compete for the position, he's killing us
     
  31. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Not to harp on it, but per barry jackson Dolphins are 2-10 since 2010 in games decided by 3 points or fewer, and Carpenter has missed 9 field goals in those close games when they need it most.
     
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  32. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    Does Carpenter have a secret Swiss bank account with deposits on the same weeks as these losses?
     

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