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Sean Smith Asked For Fitz

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by slickj101, Oct 1, 2012.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Thank you. Now my question to you, and this is the question I had as I watched the play unfold as well, but if Richard Marshall had curl-flat responsibility...shouldn't he have been more of a factor in that throw to the perimeter?

    Philbin clearly blamed Smith.
     
  2. ckparrothead

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    Just a minor point of labeling, if I say Three Deep and you say Cover 3, I generally think of those things as the same thing. As in, exactly the same. Is that incorrect? I realize that Cover 3 can be played numerous ways, for instance as you say the Dolphins play tight to the outsides whereas the Cards and Raiders were often playing us soft...but I'm just curious if "Cover 3" and "Three Deep" are essentially interchangeable labels.
     
  3. alen1

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    He should have but Smith cheated too far inside. He gave up the sideline when he's not supposed to. If he doesn't go inside, the chances of that being completed are slim.
     
  4. arsenal

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    Marshall never seemed to go underneath, he backpedaled right at the snap... why i thought it was cover 4 with Smith, Marshall, Jones and Carroll (or whoever other corner was at top of screen), playing 4 deep in endzone to prevent the TD... Clemons played either a rover inside or manned up on Fitz coming out of the slot...

    ehh either way, ****ty that they scored...
     
  5. alen1

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    Well, the issue is that there are variations. I probably should have said Cover 3 Buzz if we really want to be technical, but how many people (outside of coaches) look at if its Buzz, Force or Sky? Usually, its best to specify because 3 deep could be Quarters-Quarters-Half and neither of the 3 deep defenders play 1/3 responsibilities.
     
  6. Stringer Bell

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    He could have been. For him to have made it that far toward the sideline would have been a great play. He had to worry about Doucet breaking toward the sideline. Once Doucet broke inside, Marshall would have had a tough time making it to the proper depth.

    The golden rule for Smith on that play is to never give up the outside.
     
  7. ckparrothead

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    Either way, I still blame the pass rush, play call, and lack of timeout at least as much as I blame Sean Smith on the play.
     
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  8. alen1

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    Marshall was late getting over. Got caught up looking at the slot running the square-in route it appeared.

    I could be wrong, however.
     
  9. ckparrothead

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    Thanks for the clarification. I had no idea that three deep could also imply QQH. I just always thought the only way to specify QQH was to say QQH. That's a good point though technically QQH does involve three deep responsibility.
     
  10. alen1

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    No problem. Just my take on it. I've seen others say 3 Deep like you do but I understand where they are going with it.
     
  11. Stringer Bell

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    Shouldn't they be checking to quarter-quarter-half since they were in trips, with the CB being the force guy?
     
  12. alen1

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    Not necessarily. You can play Cover 3 despite 4 potential vertical threats. Just have to midpoint with the cornerbacks like you would do with Quarters or a Soft 2. And that can change in a reduced field, as you see here.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    Looked to me like he was worried about Doucet breaking to the outside.
     
  14. alen1

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    Possibly. Either way, he got caught up.
     
  15. f. krayzee

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    i disagree. i think there was nothing borderline about it. the other guy had hands on Smith, initiating contact beyond the line of scrimmage when the ball was in the air.
     
  16. f. krayzee

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    at the risk of being a pain in the rear, i don't suppose you have a link to a website that explains all of these? as in, not just buzz force or sky but also all the other ones that exist? sorry to be a chore, always looking to learn.
     
  17. djphinfan

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    That link your talking about is Alens brain.

    He has written many comprehensive breakdowns of schemes, I'm sure he'll hook you up.
     
  18. Laces Out

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    Agreed, but the reality is that AZ was in no huddle for the entire drive and our pass rushers were gassed. I would have liked to see a TO called to rest our guys for that final play b/c it was pretty clear that our DL needed some air, as the drive wore on Kolb was getting more and more time. To be fair, if the offense hadn't turned the ball over 5 times (4 + a missed FG) then none of this would have mattered.
     
  20. f. krayzee

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    thanks!
     
  21. ckparrothead

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    The Cardinals were in no huddle for a lot of the drive but the three plays that preceded the 4th & 10 were all incomplete passes and clock stops, and they took their time between those plays. Plus there was a timeout on the drive. I think the players were tired from over-use to be honest. In pass rush situations we're extremely thin. There's nobody that can spell Cam Wake, nobody that can spell Jared Odrick, nobody that can spell Randy Starks...and the man that came in to spell Koa Misi (Koa being the only guy considered to be of low enough importance to be spelled at all) has/had zero pass rush.

    This is a problem. It's a roster problem. And on that play, it was a coaching problem as well. Call your timeout, get your players their breath back, and get a play call on the field that assures pressure will be brought to bear on the quarterback.
     
  22. VanDolPhan

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    Would you agree then that we should very very seriously be looking for a pass rusher in the first round next draft?
     
  23. ckparrothead

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    I've had that in mind since immediately after the Draft. As I said a bunch of times the role I see Olivier Vernon being more apt to fit would be moving to the interior on pass rush downs and being an undersized but unusually athletic pass rusher over guards in obvious pass situations. That and he has the potential to be a run stopping force as an end, with the athleticism to be multiple and be pulled out into space every now and again.

    That's why I've spent a lot of time and energy reviewing pass rush prospects. Bjoern Werner has been my favorite but James Gayle is right up there and I've taken a shine to Cornellius Carridine. I was probably the only guy that had him as a better prospect than Brandon Jenkins when Jenkins went down injured, and said right away that their defense will actually IMPROVE because of the injury.
     
  24. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    The high lighted is where I stood watching the game.

    That and maybe stopping the momentum of the Cards offense on the drive.
     

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