Do we feel comfortable saying those are Ireland's guys? And if so, just keeping some perspective as the year goes on, good and bad... thats a fourth rounder and an undrafted player who have become real good football players. Both have been outstanding this year..
And you can throw Wake, Tannehill, Bush, Lane, Fasano, Dansby, Burnett, Soliai, Starks, Long, Incognito, Pouncey, Misi, Odrick, Jones, and Sean Smith in there, and you'll have the guys who are really driving the entire team. All Ireland guys. Then again the team is 1-3.
From an evaluation standpoint, with what resources we had to spend to get them (hart/bess)relative to their production, those are home runs in the game...
Sure, no way around it really. Ireland famously said "We got Hartline!" on draft day. Thing is, Bline does tend to get dinged up a lot.
Yeah...these guys were Ireland moves but Bill Parcells had a big hand in a lot of those players. Bess especially. I remember Parcells raving about how Bess was one of the true football players he had on the roster.
Hartline had a lot of the publicity but damn it did Bess have a game against a good defense.. Once again, 4 th rounder and undrafted free agent...that's what it all about when it comes to projecting talent.. Now I know his poor free agency this last year is gonna Balance a lot of stuff out at the end of the year, but I'm trying to figure out if this guy has a great eye for talent, a good one, an average one, or just below.it's important we keep tabs
Hartline is a free agent after the season and I think a lot will depend on what type of money he is looking for after this season. With a number of starters being free agents after this season, I'm not sure where the front office sees Hartline on the list of Dolphin free agents they want to sign. I feel that if he is willing to sign for a fair offer, the Dolphins would like to keep him. If he is asking for top dollar as a WR, it wouldn't surprise me if the Dolphins refuse to get into a bidding war for him. I hope he stays, but I'm not sure the Dolphins will be able to afford him, Long, Smith, Starks, and Bush. I don't expect all those free agents to remain Dolphins next season because of the cost to the team. It is going to be interesting to see which ones are signed and who is allowed to leave through free agency. I don't believe Bess is a free agent after the season and I think he will certainly still be around until the end of his present contract.
And could VERY easily be 3-1. On topic: I am holding judgement on Hartline until the end of the year. We know what Bess is, a really really good slot who can catch 70 passes. I don't care what numbers either one of them put up. We need a big, physical, red zone receiver.
Maybe I'm spoiled, but I find it a bit sad that acquiring receivers who can actually catch a ball is somehow deemed noteworthy. Regardless, I'm glad that they are both on the team and proving that good fundamentals and determination can go a long way in any league.
Ireland "haters" don't claim that EVERY pick, either in the draft or FA is total crap. Of course he's made some evaluations. But its the totality of his work.
Right, but Ireland franchised him and re-signed him. He could be playing well for another team right now, but he's playing well for us because of Ireland. It's not only who you bring in, it's who you choose to keep around.
Chad Henne had a lot to say about drafting Hartline, as well. Remember the Chad Henne tour that took place with respective receivers prior to the draft. I hope Ireland reprises that tour this offseason with Tannehill... BTW-have you ever tried maintaining your focus on the pretty side of your sigpic throughout a full rotation? if so, what's your record for # of rotations.
Yeah JDub, I've been thinking a lot about that so called 50 million in cap space, I mean I know we have it, but I also know we have a lot of core players looking for cash..might have room for one nice doozy..don't know what it all means yet in terms of Irelands evaluation, it's to blurry. I just gave you a nickname, that's big time old man...lol
That was after the fact. It is well known that one of the few areas that Ireland had free rein on was the UDFAs. Parcells may have liked him once he was on the team, but I doubt he'd even heard of him before that.
Ok I can see your point, here's the way I've always looked at the situation, and no one has ever convinced me differently, IMO, there's no way any owner is going to entrust a rookie GM with tens if not hundreds of millions of dollars, when they just hired a hall of fame prescense with the specific intention of rebuilding a franchise..For example, we drooped what 60 million on contracts that first year in free agency, wilford, smiley, etc...no way is Parcells gonna lay that on his first timer, it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever considering the variables, Parcells history, and the fact that this was his first go around. What does make sense to me is Parcells took care of the high picks, Ireland got his nuts in the mid and later rounds.. You agree or no?
No denying that Bess and the "The Hitman" Hartline were tremendous value. I'm not going to say they were great picks, it's possible that Irish is just as surprised as some of us are by their production. Either way, we have em now so let's keep em for a while. I don't have a big problem with the FAs we signed this year. IMO we have a solid team outside of one position. The FA class was pretty weak overall, there wasn't much value available, and we have a slew of guys comin up for new deals this season. Re-signing Long-Smith-Bush-Starks-Hartline should be priority #1, gotta keep the nucleus together. After that, draft some skill guys who can thrive behind our dominant OL and front 7 and fill out the roster with BPA's. Don't overspend, don't overreach, just keep this mofo headed north. The Jets are a mess, the Bills are the Bills, Brady is almost 35 and TBH the Pats don't scare me anyway. If Tanne continues to progress, we're a good draft or two from owning the division. And then I shall bringeth maximus smack talk unto all those who wanted Irish shizz-canned.
I thought yes, but we had them and Marshall, and that didn't make us a power. Then again, we didn't have Tannehill.
he has missed 4 games in 3.25 seasons, all 4 in that one season so he has played the full 16 games in 2 out of 3 years....don't know where that dinged up thing comes from
No it hasn't. They chose to not spend money in free agency. If you think that was a poor decision, you should do something like maybe suggest whom they should have spent money on. The idea that not spending money was not a good faith attempt to improve the team is not really all that reasonable. It depends on the players who were on the market at areas of need, and you've got to demonstrate that a player was there at this point. Virtually all of the players that were signed besides Richard Marshall were veteran players signed to one-year deals to compete with existing players. None of them were signed to be solutions, and the potential for them to be cut was pretty clearly implicit.
There's nothing to suspect. That's what he did. Tannehill is the first skill position player taken in the first round since Cam drafted Ted Ginn in 2007. Tannehill, Henne and Daniel Thomas are the only 3 skill position players taken in the first two rounds in the last 5 years. (Brandon Marshall was acquired for 2 #2's) To the topic, yes those are Ireland's guys. Both great acquisitions. Just need one more guy, preferably a high pick at WR and then the Corps looks really formidable. Throw in a TE and you're really ****ing up some peoples day. With an AK. Hey. EDIT: ****. I forgot about Pat White. Unfortunately, I remembered him.
I like Bess and Hartline. Both great route runners with solid hands. I also like how Sherman has used crossing routes to create some space for them. I'm not ready to anoint either one the next OJ McDuffie but I have been very impressed with how they have been able to maintain their double digit YPC stats while shouldering a heavier load. If Moore, Gaffney and Armstrong can get up to speed this unit has the potential to be much better than I had imagined.
seem to be doing very well with a real QB passing the ball. one more WR & another TE will complete the passing game
