As a rule these guys are pretty good, have been a member there for a long time but ranking Jake Long 43rd out of all Tackles in the NFL is complete BS. When Jason Smith of the Jets is ranked ahead of Jake Long I call complete BULLSHIIIIT. Some of their rankings this year make completely no sense whatsoever and ranking Long 43 rds is complete BS. I know he has not been playing like the all pro Jake Long we are all used to but if you guys had privy to that list from PFF you would be amazed who they have ahead of our guys. Its starting to look like another good source of info that has gone to the homerism side of things. No way shape or form is there 42 offensive tackles better then Jake Long regardless of how badd his is playing. Same with Incognito, ranked 63rd, if you could see the list you would laugh your assss off on who they have ranked ahead of him. I do agree with Pouncey but you have to understand. There are different people doing the evaluations, not one guy doing evaluations on lets say all the Oline. One man also does not do the evaluations on all the centers. Anyway, its completely gonzo this year so far. Just wanted to stick up for our guys who IMO have been playing pretty dam good. Jake is not Jake but he sure in hell is not 43rd.
With all the over hype about Jake Long he should be top five, top ten at worst. His skills are diminishing and it is starting to surface. He is being exposed earlier that we had hoped but I for one knew it was coming. Now that the OL is playing better as a whole Long is tapering off. Easy to see he was never as good as advertised. It's easy to be great when surrounded by mediocrity. I cringe at the thought of our young QB getting killed at his expense. I pray it doesn't happen.
The only way you could objectively take exception to their rankings is to watch every play of every player in the league, every week, which collectively the group of people who comprise PFF does.
I say Jake Long is traded. This is his last yr here. No way Ireland is going to Pony up 15 mill a yr for him, to resign him. Bet he's traded for a pic and a receiver.
-0.1 higher. Big deal. Wait til the end of the season and see where they rank. How many of Smith's 79 plays have you personally watched and analyzed?
I really really think at this point that would be a great move. Problem is he is a FA after the season. Let him test the open market and see his value. If he comes back then give him what you think he is worth. The player and his agent will put way too much value out there. He is going to be expensive. Time to cut your losses and proceed forward.
There are some areas I am more or less interested in than others, but I don't think Long's is inaccurate. It's how you look at it. PFF has Long doing quite well in pass protection(Which I agree with), it's his run blocking that is hurting him in their overall rankings. PFF is kind of wonky with zone run blocking. It's impossible to say what it is without seeing how they would grade a specific play, but it seems to me like they over-reward some guys and under-reward others. From my own recollection of seeing their grades for games I've watched and then looked up grades afterwards, it seems like they overly reward guys getting to the second level while under-rewarding or punishing guys who are getting horizontal but not vertical push. The Dolphins have also pretty much faced the who is who of dominant run-defending 3-4 DE's and similarly positioned big linemen, and Long will frequently be required to block them. JJ Watt, Muhammed Wilkerson, Mike Devito, Calais Campbell, Lamarr Houston, and Richard Seymour are all really good run defenders, and guys that Long is going to end up assigned pretty frequently in a game.
I dont have to watch any of Jason Smiths plays to analyze him. First off, Jason Smith has not even played offensive tackle for the Jets, he comes in on their jumbo packages. Number 63 watched every play he played in our game. Rams dumped him after he failed to even make the starting rotation after being picked second overall in the draft. Do not preach to me about Oline, Jake is far better then what they have him listed as. I could go down the entire list and give my summation but that ain't happening anytime too soon. On Jason Smith again, yeah, he sucks, Jake don't as I said, Smith is not even being used as an offensive tackle anymore because he blows that bad.
Not preaching to you momma. Just giving my point of view. I'm glad you can objectively rate every tackle in the league without watching and breaking down all of their individual plays.
PFF rankings are mostly crap, but I think they're relatively spot on for OL and DL, and maybe CB. In reality, Jake Long has been a disappointment this year and that ranking isn't far off relative to his play so far this season. Pouncey has easily moved in front of him as our best OL.
I doubt that he gets franchised for the $15.36 million it would take That figure is more than some "offensive lines" and in a zone blocking scheme Long might not be a great fit and definitely not at that price
An objective analysis would be one that is uninfluenced by emotions or personal prejudices. I see no reason to believe the PFF crew allows emotions or bias to influence their ratings.
These are grades not rankings. Long is graded on every snap, given a plus or minus, or whatever metric they use and at the end of the game he gets a score. Same with all of the other players. I don't know who does the grading or how they do them so I take what they say with a grain of salt. What I do know is that if Tanne (vs Arizona) is throwing quick slant to the left side and Long cuts his man down to open a lane, but Tanne doesnt throw the ball, instead looking to his right for a 2nd receiver who is also not open, and as he's looking for a 3rd guy Long's man, who has by now gotten up, blindsides him for a big loss, PFF grades that as a sack allowed by Jake Long.
They aren't going to let Long walk though...so yes they will indeed franchise him (prepare for it guys) until they can work something out that accounts for his injury/production decline. But I see no situation in which Ireland lets him walk this year.
I think we select a RT in the next draft and let Long go. No one will trade for a player they can get for free. Long is an average LT. He gets beat sometimes and sometimes he plays very good. Just like all the other average LTs in the league. IMO, we move Martin to LT and draft a new RT.
I think people are badly confused when they think Jake Long is performing poorly, or average, or anything like that. He's given up two sacks, a hit, and a hurry in four games. That isn't bad. He's ranked 9th in PFF's pass protection rankings. That's also not to mention some of his stuff that he's received credit for isn't exactly all that meaningful. He gave up a sack on a cut block vs. Arizona. The idea is to get the defender on the ground and out of the passing lane for a quick short pass play. His block wasn't great, but Tannehill didn't throw the screen and took the sack. That's not really getting beat in pass protection. Or there's that he gave up pretty much his only pressure on two back to back plays in the Raiders game. That's not a sign that he wasn't playing well, that's a sign that he probably jammed or twisted something on that series because he gave up literally nothing after that. Stop looking at the one or two plays that the announcers decide to highlight for whatever reason.
