I was probably giving Philbin a little too much credit. I would hope that if he had some input, WR would've been a little bit more of a priority than the 6th round. And I know a lot of people like Egnew, and I hope I'm wrong, but I hated that pick. I feel the same about him as I did when they drafted Daniel Thomas. Low ceiling players.
I dont find your argument to be much better. So, what positions should the 1st round be limited to in your opinion?
Not necessarily. Hakeen Nicks and Santonio Holmes were two guys the Dolphins could've had later in the 1st round. (I know Holmes was passed over by Saban and not Ireland, just pointing out that guys like that can be had)
Because I'm putting a premium on the skill positions, like WR. If I have a chance to improve my team and I have a WR and an OL rated similarly, or even have the OL rated slightly higher, I'll take the WR because I can grab an OL in the lower rounds. I'd venture to guess that not too many teams besides Miami have 3 1st round picks on the same line. If they do, chances are pretty slim they were all drafted by the team they're currently on. Ireland has a different philosophy. He's put a premium on the lines. He believes (and he actually said this) that an OL can be a "playmaker". I disagree with him.
Martin was a 2nd pick, Jerry was a 3rd, Incognito was a free agent. Miami has only 2 1st round picks on same line. Which is the same amount as New England.
You're right, my bad. Somehow in my brain first day turned into 1st round and I included Martin with Pouncey and Long. New England has two 1st's and 2nd rounder? Still pretty incredible that Miami doesn't have lower than a 3rd round pick on the line.
Who wouldn't? But you play the odds. Odds say finding guys like Cruz and Bess are rare. Your best play is to draft one in the first two rounds. Holmes is on the downside of his career now, pretty easy to say that.
I said that when the Jets signed him and when he was a Steeler. Never been a fan of Santonio Holmes. Thought he was overdrafted, thought he was overpaid. Your best players are most positions are first round picks. However, other than kicker and punter, and now runningback, wide receiver is one where you can find good quality players outside the first round.
The point is that a great WR is going to have more value than a great OL. All positions on the football field are not created equal.
I think we've had this same discussion before...either that or I'm having a case of deja vu, becuase this is the part where I mention that Aaron Rodgers' OLine sucks and that Peyton Manning also never had a great line.
I think Peyton Manning had a pretty good offensive line. Aaron Rodgers is one of those quarterbacks that is the exception to the rule. And probably. I am very pro offensive line. I look at Tom Brady and see a quarterback who generally has a lot of time to throw the ball due to his offensive line.
Hopefully the Dolphins will use their first round pick and one of their second round picks to upgrade the secondary. The fact is that if the Dolphins had a better secondary, they would be 3-1 right now and it wouldn't matter that Carpenter missed FG's against the Jets and Cardinals. Miami should use their second pick in the second round to draft a WR and one of their third round picks on a TE.
It's just not nearly as rare as you suggest. 12 of the top 25 (and 5 of the top 10) in career passer rating were taken after the first round or undrafted. There have also been a lot of great late round and UDFA receivers. 13 of the top 25 in career receiveing yards were taken after the first round or undrafted. Last year, 13 of the top 25 in receiving yards were taken after the first round, including 2 of the top 3, which were undrafted.
Let's use Peyton's OLine the year he won a Super Bowl as an example. The only first round pick on that line was Tarik Glenn. The next highest drafted guy after that? Ryan Diem in the 4th round. So regardless of whether or not they were good, only one was a high pick.
Not true...he was never a fan of Lucas and felt we made a bad decision to trade for him....and he was right...
So, what are the positions that are worthy of 1st round picks? Just WRs? Do you include TEs and RBs? Both are skill positions and can be playmakers, but who's positions are typically devalued in the draft. What about defense? Are DBs ok? Pass rushers? Or only offensive skill players? It sounds like you only really approve of QBs and WRs to go in round 1. What if there aren't 32 players at those 2 positions worthy of a 1st round talent?
The fact is that if the Dolphins had a better kicker, they would be 3-1 right now and it wouldn't matter that the secondary did what it did. I guess we should take a kicker in the first round. The secondary has had some lapses, but every secondary does. The fact is that Dolphins are 8th in the NFL in passer rating allowed, 4th in completion percentage allowed, and 5th in the NFL in 3rd down conversion percentage allowed. That's pretty good. Passing yards allowed are high but that's because the run defense has been great. Historically great. Like best ever. So teams are throwing a lot against us. They are not, however, throwing efficiently. The last 3 games, the defense has given up 13, 13 and 21 points in regulation. That's good and certainly should be good enough to win. Week 1 we gave up 30 points, but 2-3 of the Texans scores came off turnovers deep in Dolphin territory.
It's a passing league. Therefore, you have to put a premium on QB's, WR's, DB's and pass rushers in the 1st round IMO. You look at what the Giants have done in the 1st round recently. Going back to 2004 they've drafted by position as follows (in ascending order): QB, DB, DE, DB, DB, WR, DE, CB, RB. Notice a trend? And remember that they had Amani Toomer and Plaxico Burress at WR for a number of those years, so you're probably not gonna draft a WR high too many times during that stretch.
The career numbers are all-time, but since passing and receiving numbers were so much lower in the old days, the top 25 guys are pretty much all in the modern era. As indicated, last year, 13 of the top 25 in receiving yards were taken after the first round. Welker and Cruz were in the top 3 and were both undrafted. This year, 15 of the top 25 in receiving yards were taken outside the first round. 6 of them were UDFAs (Welker, Cruz, Austin, Bess, Amendola and LMoore). Another was a 7th rounder (Colston). Let me repeat that -- 7 of the top 25 (or 28% of the top 25) in receiving yards were taken in the 7th round or undrafted.
Ok, so only QBs, WRs, DBs, and pass rushers are worth a 1st round pick? Only 4 positions? There simply aren't 32 players at those 4 positions worthy of a 1st round pick every year. Just looking at last years draft where we drafted a center that does not fit your four position requirement, I don't see any players that were taken later in the first round that we would be better off with than Pouncey.
If you are gonna push your own personal draft philisophy you oughta have something serious to back it up. Especially when they rarely correlate heavily with professional decision making
Got it from pro-football-reference.com. No, most aren't second rounders. As I indicated, a lot of them are UDFAs. Only 2 of the current top 25 in receiving yards were 2nd rounders (DeSean Jackson and Torrey Smith).
You just put PEYTON MANNING in the same category as Cam Newton/Matt Stafford/Joe Flacco????????????????? And you put a Matt Ryan over him?? You can't be serious. I see someone loves the stat sheet......
The secondary plays decently early in the game, but fails to make the plays when the game is on the line. This is the exact same problem this team has had for the last several years. I still feel the secondary is the major weakness on this team . You are certainly entitled to your opinion, I just disagree with you, just as you disagree with me. I see Dalton having a big passing day against the secondary this week.
