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Ross: No. 1 receiver top offseason priority

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Serpico Jones, Oct 10, 2012.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

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    I found this part more interesting:

     
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  2. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Obviously Mr Ross is not consulting with KB
     
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  3. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's wildly, wildly premature first of all.

    It's not about Ross excelling at public speaking or not. It's about him saying and doing dumb stuff, and at best lamely gossiping like a normal fan and at worst telling his coaching staff/front office how to do their jobs that they're actually qualified at to do through the media.
     
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  4. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    I've been following this team since 1984, this is the first time I've seen the organization do all the right things in a short period of time. I see a team exceeding their talent level, playing fundamental football and true growth on both sides of the ball. Sprinkle in a talent like Tannehill, who is improving weekly and I can say with absolute confidence that this team will contend for a Super Bowl berth within three years, barring any serious injuries.

    Hopefully I'll be right. Something is different about this team and the leadership on the field.

    This may be wildy premature, but you can't deny that Philbin and Tannehill are off to phenomenal starts.
     
  5. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Right, but is the owner prioritizing personnel moves the right way to go about things?

    I think whats been most encouraging is that Ross has let Ireland do his job, who has in turn allowed Philbin to do his job. In this case, Ross is essentially deviating from that.
     
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  6. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Did Philbin say he didn't want a #1 or "Alpha" receiver or did he say that this offense didn't need a #1 wide receiver? Depending on how he said it could be interpreted different ways. If he said it doesn't need a #1 could be an acknowledgement that he knows we don't have a #1 but we should be alright without one? Tannehill has a strong arm which most on here have hoped for when we've been looking for a starter. The best way to take advantage of that arm is to have a true deep threat which we don't have right now. Either way, a good #1 would certainly give Tannehill another option and weapon that we don't have yet. I just hope if we get one, its gotten through the draft and not through a trade or signing a free agent.
     
  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Doesn't mean sh##, need to know context and what exactly were his words.
     
  8. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    I think it's pretty clear that he meddles in personnel issues a bit which is fine. You don't want an owner too detached like Wayne Huizenga or Stan Kroenke.
     
  9. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    Again, we don't know that because the entire premise of this thread is based on innuendo from an unamed source, in a local newspaper whose sports reporting resembles the National Enquirer.

    Secondly, we are also assuming that Ross won't change his mind and is unreasonable. If the Phins continue to win and Hartline and Bess put up numbers, wouldn't it be logical to conclude that Ross would shift his opinion, just like we would in these forums?
     
  10. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Yeah it seems that Ross fired Sparano because he just didn't like his attitude and arrogance. The guy ain't Bill Parcells, at least try to establish a dialogue with your employer for Christ's sake.
     
  11. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Brian Hartline is not a number 1 receiver.
     
  12. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Which owners have fielded consistently successful franchises that meddle in personnel issues?
     
  13. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    But we could of had Dez Bryant!
     
  14. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    There is a big difference between what Ross is doing and what Jerry Jones does, but fans fail to see that. Ross says I want a franchise qb or a number one wideout (which we all agree were/are important) and then let's his GM and Coach do their job in finding that player to fill in the need. I think Ross knows he doesn't have the ability to scout a talent, but he is smart enough to recognize team needs. Jones on the other hands says we need this position and then thinks he's a better talent evaluator than everyone else and takes the player he wants. Really I think it's absurd that fans say Ross should "Shut the **** up". It's his team and he paid quite a bit of money for it, so he has every right to express his opinions. All this really stems from the perception that fans have where Ross is a bumbling, stumbling idiot and while he has made his fair share of rookie owner mistakes I don't think he's as stupid as people believe.
     
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  15. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    that's not really contradicting what I said. You don't publicly undermine your coach/gm. Now if philbin has changed his tune, then so be it. But from what we know, he hasn't. Ross pulling rank doesn't really contradict that.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    I'm fairly certain he'll be available in the not to distant future.
     
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  17. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    The Rooney Family.
     
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  18. rafael

    rafael Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. Ross is a fan. He says the same kind of things fans say with about as much insight as fans have.
     
  19. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    From what I know about townhalls they are all employee meetings where they ask the bosses questions. I wouldn't call that privately between just those who need to be involved.
     
  20. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    The Rooney's make directives regarding personnel? When?
     
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  21. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    How does he contradict his GM? His GM said on national TV that we have a bunch of 4s, 5s and 6s, and we need some 1s, 2s, and 3s (or something similar) on hard knocks.
     
  22. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Art Rooney personally fired Bruce Arians and forced Todd Haley down Mike Tomlin's throat because he didn't like the offense. Also Dan Rooney is on record saying he personally made the decision to draft Roethlisberger because he wanted a franchise QB.
     
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  23. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Pretty much everything you've said has been said before of every coach since Shula.
     
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  24. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I have no problem with an owner of an organization wanting to improve his organization. more power to you Ross. Get that no. 1 receiver. I also don't understand why anyone is saying Philbin doesn't want a "no. 1" receiver. What coach doesn't want the best talent on their team?
     
  25. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Mr Ross...Mr Philbin is in the phone..
     
  26. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Philbin has said multiple times that he doesn't believe in having a number 1 receiver which is one of the dumbest things he's said.
     
  27. jdang307

    jdang307 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The Rooneys are Heavily involved in Steelers operations where have you been.
     
  28. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Sure, but they are also listed as personnel executives.
     
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  29. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    Except when Hartline and Bess hear other people say it they give less of a ****.

    This has to affect them. Maybe negatively, maybe positively. Maybe it only affects their feelings and they do their job exactly the same way because the are professionals.
     
  30. unluckyluciano

    unluckyluciano For My Hero JetsSuck

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    I didn't mean it as this specifically contradicts his gm. Just that if he does contradict the two main people responsible for building this team. Then it's wrong.
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I see what your saying but don't you think it's a bit disrespectful to Hartline and Bess and the seasons their having?
     
  32. LandShark13

    LandShark13 New Member

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    When I read stuff like that all I can think of is Ross needs to learn to shut his pie hole.
     
  33. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Yeah that and you know, all the losing
     
  34. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    Because Hartline and Bess are superstars, haven't you heard? No upgrades necessary.
     
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  35. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    Well first of all wasn't this said before Arizona? Hartline wasn't having a big season until that game. Also is it really disrespectful? I like both of those guys but neither of them are number 1's. I think Ross wants a Calvin Johnson, Andre Johnson, Larry Fitzgerald type wide receiver and Bess and Hartline aren't those guys. Are you telling me you don't want that? Imagine how much better those two guys would be with a Calvin Johnson on the roster. Also if Hartline and Bess even read that article it might do some good. I could see Hartline saying "let me elevate my play even more to show the owner we don't need a number 1".
     
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  36. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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    This is interesting.
     
  37. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Because the coaches and personnel guy should be making that decision.

    I think there's a pretty good argument that Joe Philbin doesn't want a #1 receiver. I don't think he wants a receiver who needs to be the primary option on most pass plays or has to have a huge number of targets to be effective or happy. No Brandon Marshall's or Dwayne Bowe's. The last few years the Packers top guy is averaging around 100 targets a year. The top guy in any single year is 150-177 targets.

    If you wanna try to find a receiver with more eye-popping physical talent, that's not unreasonable. There's room for more. It's not unreasonable for this team to think about going 3 wide for a base offense. If you want a guy who is going to dominate the offense and put pathetic non-combine superstars like Brian Hartline or Davone Bess on the bench for most snaps you're going to be pretty disappointed.
     
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  38. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    He didn't publicly undermine anyone. Anyway he is the head hancho so its impossible for him to undermine anyone. He didn't know that what he said would be reported. He wasn't speaking into a microphone and either way what he said goes hand and hand with what Ireland wants. And I would love clarification on whether Philbin said he doesn't want #1 WR or if he said we don't need a #1 WR.
    Ross has every right to express what he wants, he bought and owns the team. He is no where near a ,"Jerry Jones" type of owner which I agree would be a bad thing. He wanted a new head coach and allowed Ireland to bring in canidates and make the right decision. He said he wanted a franchise QB and he allowed Ireland to get the one he thought was best, the same will happen with our future #1 WR. He hit the nail on the head with a want and need for a new head coach and franchise QB. Ireland hit the nail on the head getting the right coach and QB, I have every reason to believe he hit the nail on the head with the want and need of a #1 WR and I have every reason to believe that Ireland will get us the best available #1 WR.
     
  39. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    In fairness, he kinda has to say that.

    It's one of those things everyone knows isn't true but an owner always says.
     
  40. xphinfanx

    xphinfanx Stay strong my friends.

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