Gil Brandt on Ryan Tannehill - Home Run With the Bases Loaded

I would agree with this, however, the other side of the questions is whether those he speaks with give him "accurate" or "subterfuge" information to aide their agenda and not his. So he can claim he was talking to Ireland, and Ireland said he didnt have interest in Tannehill back in January.

That could a true statement from Brandt's perspective....but it doesnt prove whether Ireland was giving him an honest insight. And nor should Ireland do that, Brandts not an insider to Dolphins Organization, in fact he has relationships to all organizations, thus higher risk to believe it aides Ireland to be truthful, and rather aides Ireland big time to "hide" his true intentions leading up to FA an Draft.

 

Ireland said he's been watching rt for a couple of years! And that rt showed 1st round talent in 2010! I have no reason to not believe Ireland!

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those cuts happen in every camp, he brought them in, sat them down, looked them in the eye, and patted their backs on the way out..I didn't see a lack of compassion, I saw business being handled.

 

not seeing the connection. whether Ireland was more interested in McCoy or Philbin would have minimal impact on whether Ireland was interested in Tannehill. I doubt Philbin brought Mike Sherman with him on the interview and said "you get the whole package, ... me, Shermy and Tanny".

 

Delusions of grandeur.

 

As much as I think Ireland sucks, it really doesn't matter where he got the idea to draft Tannehill. He was the 3rd rated QB coming out and the Dolphins were in position to take the 3rd rated QB.

 

We've been in need for the best available QB for a decade and passed every time. Still need to give the organization credit for finally pulling the trigger.

 

With who? I feel like with Henne it was more excuse making than praising his play, he needs more time, hes getting there, etc etc. He'd flash but always looked meh, but we'd try to justify. Feeley was again more excuse making than praising. Who else were you down this road before with a young QB that played well and got praise from everyone since Marino?

 

Agree. .With Henne a typical game thread looked like this:

Henne looks all world out there!! Did you see those three throws! On the money.
Henne with a great deep ball. Looks like we found our QB!
Henne with a nice pass to Hartline!
Henne with a poor read and INT. Dammit, he was looking all Pro that drive till that stupid throw.
Henne played great all game, except for 3rd and longs.
Henne checked down when he had a wide open WR.
Henne put this team in position to win but threw 4 consecutive incompletions when we needed 10 yards.

I think with Tannehill it's been improvement after improvement after improvement. With little regression. He starts games great and ends them great. Henne was All world then a scrub within the same half.

 

lol@the organization... just can't say it can we?

 

I mean, if you wanna give them credit for getting it right the second time, I guess...good work?

 

Yes, right now, if its a Home Run with the bases loaded (although not sure who was on base??) - we can celebrate....but objectively speaking as a fan with the proper goad in mind, we are still trailing in the game.

We should all agree on that.

So, perhaps in the future at bat as he builds on it, we can secure a Super Bowl to be the HR of all HRs we are seeking.

Enjoy the ride for now....and lets keep seeing the forest among the trees. The goal is the same.

 

Parcells is gone. We don't know what Ireland would have done with the choice of Long or Ryan.

 

Henne had a great start to his career as a starter. His first start the Dolphins demolished the Bills, in his second start they beat the Jets. He was awesome that night and looked like a franchise QB during that game-winning drive (4th down laser to Camarillo for a 1st down?)

Don't try to act like we weren't thrilled about the guy after he won 3 of his first 4 (including wins against the Jets twice), because we were.

 

Could be. Still kinda fun stirring the pot.

 

I just wish he had called him a grand slam.

 

Don't forget the fine coaching that pulled him off the field for random wildcats once the chains started moving.
I think they mentally stumped Henne in several ways.
But that's over Sanchez is getting blessed with the Sparano engineering now.
Glad we have THill with what seems to be a far superior staff setting him up for success.

 

I think it's just his writing style. Later in the article, he said: "Ryan Tannehill is gonna complete a lot of passes to guys where they cross the goal line."

 

I am trying to figure who was on base! and how did they get there....

 

Your talking to a Henne apologist here, but again he never LOOKED like this, even through his successes... im just talking about seeing someone play the QB position and seeing it done in this manner... Henne had wins, he had his throws, he had his moments, but im not talking about win/losses or stats... Tannehill looks like 10 times the QB Henne ever looked like in a game, at least to me...

who knows, either way glad the kid is here...

 

I'm not talking like an apologist. I'm stating a fact. He looked damn good in his first few starts.

I agree that Tannehill looks better, not arguing that. But it's not a night and day comparison. I don't think he looks "10 times better". Better, yes. But I think you're going overboard just a bit. John Beck and Tannehill? Yeah, that's a pretty significant gap. And you forgot to mention him. I had high hopes for him coming out of college, though he didn't do anything to impress me once he actually got here.

 

Agreed. And I was actually at that New England game. It was down here. Pats went up 14-0 in the first quarter and the game appeared to be over. It was an impressive comeback. Many forget he had several comebacks that year, including another against the Buccs. After throwing a bone headed INT, he had three awesome throws that setup the game-winning FG. Those are the type of things that will get you excited about a young QB. Unfortunately, it was downhill from there.

Biggest difference between the two for me is pocket presence. Henne couldn't dream of doing some of the stuff Tannehill does there IMO.

 

Yeah. Henne needed a clean pocket. When it broke down, he was looking to escape just to throw it away. He was OK on designed stuff, but not nearly as good at improvising as Tannehill. There are certain QB's that when the things break down, they're basically just looking to avoid a sack, and others like Big Ben who keep their head up and are looking to make a play. Tannehill appears to be one of those guys. That play he hit Hartline on down the sideline last week was a perfect example.

 

Only FinNasty got it? Either you guys don't listen to Gil Brandt speak enough or you didn't appreciate the jab. Or maybe everyone has me on ignore.

 

IMO it is night and day between RT and Henne. I felt Henne showed enough to be a guy you could win with, but he never showed anything that made me believe he was a guy who would carry the team. Henne was capable of putting up big stats. He was capable of playing like Matt Ryan had played prior to this year, but he never showed franchise QB potential. There's a step up in what RT has shown already and I would say that difference is huge.

 

You beat me to it. This is by far the biggest difference between Henne and Tannehill, and Henne after his 2nd year wasn't able to look half as good as Tannehill does in his first 4 games when it comes to pocket awareness.

 

When it comes to Ireland and Brandt, you can actually understand the closer relationship they have. Brandt was a collect scout for the Cowboys in the 70s and 80s. He was Ireland before Ireland was Ireland. I know for a fact that Ireland looks up to Brandt, and Brandt almost mentored Ireland when it came to breaking down college stuff.

If it were anyone else, I'd take it with a grain of salt. Ireland and Brandt have a very good relationship, and at this point it does not MATTER what Brandt said to Ireland, or what Ireland said to Brandt, because the draft is over and Tannehill is our QB. Do you think Brandt was calling other GMs about Tannehill? I don't.

 

The key stat with Tannehill is how he does against pressure. I don't have the numbers in front of me, but they're pretty phenomenal for a rookie QB or any QB for that matter. He already does a great job against pressure, which is a testament not only to his athleticism but also his mental intangibles. The dude is the opposite of Henne. He attacks the defense and has the mobility to make plays out of nothing.

 

He absolutely was, I love Brandt and enjoy his lead up to the Draft, and all his stories and onsite coverage of the draft and his relationship he has with the draftees and the events he does for them (including convincing many of them to show up to the greenroom, etc) and the charities. Yes, its his job still in essence to reach out to all the GMs he can, and to get their "feel" and "vibe" so he can talk about it on the air and throw in the "first person" accounts and stories as it relates to the vibe of the league and draft day, etc.

I still feel personal relationship or not, Brandt is still connected and thus its in Irelands best interest as it relates to his actual Boss that pays his checks to not SHARE with anyone an open and honest assessment of his feelings leading up to the draft.

Sharing his true feelings with Brandt does not aide him in his job for Ross. So its a grain of salt story to me.

Let me flip the question: Do you think Brandt was only calling Ireland about Tannehill?

 

Exactly, Henne was not a terrible Qb, he can win games in the league, but he lacked ball courage.

IMO, Henne is far better then the Nacho, but neither one offers what Tannehill does.

 

The NFL is a pretty cold business to begin with. Personally, I don't think Jeff acted much different than the other GM's that have been shown on Hard Knocks. Besides, what did you expect Jeff to do, hand them a free set of steak knives as a parting gift?

 

Did you listen to the interview? Brandt specifically said he didn't tell anyone else. The part about Ireland starts at 4:30 mark.

 

no no, i was saying I was a Henne apologist... not that you were talking like one, i WAS one, haha...

To me the difference is 10 times... and yes there are the Henne highlights, but to me regardless of stats, comebacks, etc the difference in watching them play the QB position is night and day...

People talk about Henne against the blitz, and his stats were real good, but watching him against a blitz and watching Tannehill and its night and day. I dont care what the stats say, you can see much more courage in the pocket, better decision making, better avoidance, more accurate throws under pressure, and more from Tannehill than Henne ever had.

But is this 2010? enough of Henne, Beck and past nightmares... lets beat this crap out of the Fisher bearded Rams

 

BS....no coach or gm or other FO guy sets up a plan to definitively draft a player unless they happen to have the #1 overall pick. There is no way they could have planned in January when Philbin was hired that they would be getting THill and set the whole team up based on that...Jeff Ireland, to his credit, has shed the Tuna stench by actually acquiring players that Philbin can use... And the Peterson connection is with Ireland and Ross...remember Peterson promoted Irish to his first FO job...

I can say it probably played out the way they may have hoped for, but they could/would never have 'planned' on that happening...

 

Its not a question whether Brandt told anyone, or even if you believe he did or did not tell.....

 

I never seen any LAST SEASON. Only Ireland saying after the draft that he's been high on Tannehill since last season. Can you show any articles dated last year that indicate an interest in RT by JI?