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NFL Network..N Suh, "get out of Paul Solai's way""

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Oct 12, 2012.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I didn't say it, but if you catch their fantasy live show, they just gave us 10 minutes of bliss..

    I'm not gonna ramble about when it comes to the superlatives they were saying about our defense, run defense in general..but it's worth a watch..

    They were showing Solai just eating people..one handed double teams and sh&$..

    they all said bench any running back that goes against this unit..

    They did call us San Francisco lite"..

    We gotta win this freakin game guys..
     
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  2. Berezo

    Berezo Well-Known Member

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    You must be excited dj...you have posted so many topics today alone lol...
     
  3. Starry31

    Starry31 Phins and Heels.

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    My RB situation last week was so bad I played BJGE, knowing he wasn't going do ****. I had already told my friends in other leagues not to play their RB against Miami unless they had no other option. Someone may eventually have a good game on us, but I wouldn't want to gamble that the one or two bad games was when my RB was playing.
     
  4. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think Paul Soliai is the dominant factor of the run defense this year. He's playing well, and close to his career best, but so are several other guys.

    I'm also of the opinion that this upcoming off-season you try to find a replacement for Soliai who isn't a liability in passing situations.
     
  5. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not sure what I'm gonna do with myself if we win, or lose..lol
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Replace altogether?
     
  7. HugeFinFan

    HugeFinFan Woopsy Daisy!

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    Fear the beard.

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  8. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    no, just the upper half.
     
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  9. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "You your the one that has no half of his body, you are..whatever, ssshutup Richard"
     
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  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Personally, the only 2 guys I'd want to replace Soliai with are Ngata or Utah's Star Lotulelei. Ngata's not possible and Lotulelei will likely be long gone by our first round pick.

    IMO we're fine with Paul if we can add another quality corner and a situational pass rusher/OLB so that we could rush 5 more often like Houston does with Reed & Barwin.
     
  11. HugeFinFan

    HugeFinFan Woopsy Daisy!

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    Soliai and Starks. I don't think there's a pair of DT's playing better then them right now.
     
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  12. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Don't make me get MrClean involved. You won't like him when he's pulled from the jungle.
     
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  13. Dee

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    Yeah, I still think Ngata is the best pure NT in the game and the only guy I would trade big Paul for.
     
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  14. dwoodie17

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    LMAO... WAS THINKING THE SAME THING!!
    :knucks:
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    ill take NSuh in a reclamation project lol.
     
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  16. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure. Paul Soliai is a very good run defender, by why do you have to settle for a guy who is only useful against the run? Kevin Coyle could get a hell of a lot of mileage out of a 1-technique guy that isn't a liability rushing the passer.

    I'm not a huge draft guy, but from what I've read and seen it looks like there are a fair amount of "big" men in the draft who are still quality pass rushers. Finding the next Haloti Ngata or Shaun Rogers would be a coup.
     
  17. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I couldn't pull the trigger on that one Dapte..he's great against the run, and he he can collapse the pocket a bit..
     
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  18. Dee

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    I can think of a few people who need to be replaced. Paul Soliai isn't among them.
     
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  19. Larryfinfan

    Larryfinfan 17-0...Priceless Club Member

    Well, I think that Soliai has become a solid, if not spectacular NT. He'd fit in just about any system. And if they were to look to replace him, given his current status, there would likely be a market for a good 3-4 NT.... That said, I don't know that I'd be looking to replace him, rather if someone called and wanted him, for the right price, I'd consider it...
     
  20. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I agree. Finding an upgrade for Soliai would be far down the list of priorities IMO...like somewhere in the sub basement of the sub basement.
     
  21. Dee

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    Who's that chick in your sig pic? She's cute as hell.
     
  22. padre31

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    Only way I could see it happening is if Soliai went down and someone like Randal was an even bigger beast.

    Otherwise, don't create holes, we have enough already.
     
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  23. Dee

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    Let's worry about TE, WR, CB, or even back up LB before we get to work on upgrading a key cog on a unit that has been the team's greatest strength so far this season.
     
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  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Damaris Lewis. She is an SI swimsuit model. Here is another view of her.

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  25. RevRick

    RevRick Long Haired Leaping Gnome Club Member

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    It would have to be a blockbuster type offer to coax me to think about trading Soliai. He may not get a lot of pressure on the QB, but he usually eats up two blockers enough to free up someone from the outside or Stark to put pressure. Besides that, at goal line defense, he has to be a beast to get moved backward. It would make very little sense to trade him. I would rather see about drafting some more components to fill in behind him (another CB, another S, a strong pass rushing end perhaps) and leave good enough alone. Besides, getting some better components on the O would help the D keep fresh and rarin' to go!
     
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  26. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Soliai is on a two-year deal and being given opportunity to be a more well-rounded player and not really succeeding. He's gotten more passing down snaps than run down snaps so far this year, and he's still at best just a guy in that regard and at worst a hinderance.

    It shouldn't be an outright goal, but if there is an opportunity, you take it. I think the Dolphins have set themselves up for the possibility. I don't know what the opinion on the likelihood on this is but if the Dolphins are in a position like they were with Ngata with say Lotelelei or Hankins and they like him and have the ammo to go get them, that's something to consider. You've got a year with Soliai to figure out what you wanna do
     
  27. MikeHoncho

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  28. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's not how it works, though. The offseason is not a path of infinite possibility, there are any number of reasons from your own player development to inability to acquire that may prevent you from filling that.

    Consider tight end. It's not unreasonable for the Dolphins to give Clay/Egnew another year to develop. Your FA opportunities are limited, and I'm not sure what the class is like at TE. There's ample reasons why Ireland would not choose to do something there.

    Alternately, there wasn't a lot of people thrilled with the Mike Pouncey pick. It wasn't a huge need, and you could have filled center through other means, but it would have meant passing up on the best player on the board
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    He is also by far the best run defender on the DL, and as a pass rusher, he is a -0.9 according to PFF, which isn't great, but hardly terrible either.
     
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  30. Dee

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    Yeah pretty much nothing you're saying now is making me not think it's nuts. You don't think the attention Soliai receives is having an impact on the kind of year that Starks is having? Of course it is. You can't just judge guys like this on stats. And tight end isn't the only need. I don't even think Fasano is bad, just not a big difference maker. But we absolutely need help at receiver and corner and we need depth at linebacker more than we need an up grade at NT. The defensive line is performing better than any unit on the team. It's crazy to think that it should be a high offseason priority in terms of looking for outside help when we have other more pressing needs.

    If Baltimore offers us Ngata for Soliai straight up? Absolutely do it. But that's not happening. The guy we have is better than most guys in the league, and he's under contract. This is a silly conversation that I can't imagine a single person in the Dolphins organization has had or will have.
     
  31. ToddPhin

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  32. Coral Reefer

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    Agreed completely.

    The discussion isn't even warranted.
    Since when do you expect to find inside runs stuffers that are also great pass rushers?
    That animal is not common.
    You can bring in or move some pass rushers inside on passing downs to get more chances of inside pressure.
    Discarding an upper tier run defender simply to chase the dream of landing Warren Sapp 2.0 is almost negligent.
     
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  33. BlameItOnTheHenne

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  34. ToddPhin

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    I thought you were talking about finding a pass rushing DT like Geno Atkins rather than another big body like Hankins who offers very little if any upgrade at applying pressure IMO.

    IMO it'd be better for us to upgrade the pass rush by adding another pass rusher rather than removing an interior guy who's pivotal to both our run success and making offenses 1 dimensional, as well as being the best run-stuffing 3rd down defense (by far) in the NFL, not to mention goal line success. It's not a fair trade off in my eyes b/c we'd be weakening the strongest aspect of our defense in order to make the other aspect only marginally better. IMO we can improve our QB pressure by adding another solid corner and one more talented pass rusher w/o sacrificing our strength at the point of attack. It's not like we're terrible at pressuring QBs BTW. Plenty of teams have a big body in the middle and can still make like tough on opposing QBs.
     
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  35. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Sure. But if we're also going by PFF, he's got one decent game as a pass rusher this year. Going by his history he'll have one or two a year and be a non-factor.
    Also, going by his history, he's got a habit of basically showing up to work and playing particularly well basically every other season since he started getting a significant workload.

    No, I don't really. I don't think a guy five techniques away on the other side of the center is going to really dramatically change the blocking players are going to receive in a lot of circumstances, especially when the guy in question isn't a pass rusher and isn't a big threat to move outside of where he lines up.

    You can't throw your biggest resource allocation at your biggest need unless you're pretty lucky in terms of what is available. There are a limited number of players who will be successful in the draft and in free agency, and there may be little to none available at any specific need at any specific position. Good personnel management realizes this and adjusts accordingly.

    If you can at all use the best players available to you, you pick them. It's better we get the next Haloti Ngata than the next Ted Ginn.
     
  36. ExplosionsInDaSky

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    Wow...Already talking about a replacement for Paul Soliai. And to think...the topic started about how dominant he has been.....WTF?
     
  37. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I think you're mischaracterizing Hankins. I'm not a big draft guy, but I'm pretty sure his whole selling point is that he's able to do some impressive stuff athletically for a big man. I mean, how often do you see a guy built like that line up outside of the tackle and make a play?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2RnpU9bREk


    My point is you don't have to make a trade off.

    You can have a guy who is as good as a run defender as Soliai is who can also rush the passer at a very high level. If you think you can find one of those, it's worth the effort.
     
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  38. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It's way more interesting than agreeing Soliai is pretty good.
     
  39. GMJohnson

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    I'd love to have the next Ngata on the team so if there's one out there Ireland should draft him, and ignore the chorus of boos from the fan base. If there's another Trent Richardson, J Pierre Paul, Morris Claiborne or Julio Jones that'd be even better.
     

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