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Greg Cote..The defense of Jeff Ireland.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Oct 11, 2012.

  1. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I meant you illustrating DT is responsible for DT's concussions, and that makes DT a questionable pick. I didn't word my post correctly. But the point isn't really all that different.
     
  2. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I just don't understand the blatent denial of anything positive that Ireland has done from "The Ireland Hate Club"
    However I am doing what you are implying by waiting for this next off season to maybe join that hate club. lol But I still wonmt deny anything positive he has done for this team!
     
  3. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    No offense but if you believe any of that therems no point in arguing with someone that would believe that. Sounds like if Ireland came to your house and told you those were his ideas, you still wouldn't believe it IMO
     
  4. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    For the most part I like your rational, but you know if we had a different kicker we would be 4-1 right? I donmt see how this is any reflection on Ireland. I think we would all agree that Carpenter has been MR. reliable until this year. Now if Carpenter continues to suck all year and he is still our kicker next year and we lose games because of that again, i would say that absolutely reflects on Ireland. But you have to see where your theory is some what flawed. You have to take things like I just mentioned into consideration IMO
     
  5. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Like your name implies, you have a talent for recognizing the beginning, middle, and end of The Ireland Hate Club insanity! well done!
     
  6. firedan

    firedan Well-Known Member

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    If Miami wins ten games this year we should all kick in to have an airplane pull a banner around the stadium apologizeing for the erlier banner asking for his head.
     
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  7. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    lol. That would be a nice gesture. I believe 10 wins is possible by the way. We are about to go on a nice run! IMO
     
  8. the 23rd

    the 23rd a.k.a. Rio

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    excellent GM
    hubris to think otherwise

    there is always that element in any fan base
    that relish in the demonetization of someone for whatever reason :taz:
     
  9. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    Giving Ireland credit for hiring Philbin is pretty funny stuff.
     
  10. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Big off-season for Ireland. Hope he uses our cap space wisely because with all our impending fa we don't have THAT much room. Here's my preference for re-signing our own guys: 1) Sean Smith-this is a must, he's young and by far our best CB. We ll need to bring in a CB anyways. 2)Starks-sure Odrick could do a decent job replacing him but if you don't blow the money on Long you'll have plenty of money for Starks. 3) Hartline (assuming he doesn't want #1 type money. 4) Fasano (not sexy but solid and would be a hell of a #2 if we ever drafted that top TE. 5)Bush- love him but he may want more than he's worth. Miller could probably replace him well running. Lose a bit in the passing game but we hardly use him in that regard anyways. Downside is we'd likely get stuck seeing way too much of Thomas.
     
  11. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    If we don't re-sign Long those top 4 guys could be re-signed and we would still have room to bring in a starting caliber CB. I like Carroll more than most, he's actually pretty good at jumping routes and I think its just a matter of time before he starts getting some picks but we need another good corner regardless. There's just no justification for signing Long to a 10+ million dollar deal when he's been closer to average than elite the last 3 years. Plus his injury concerns, there's other good tackles who are set to become free agents and we could probably get away with sliding our own RT over if need be. Just better ways to spend 10-15 million than on a LT, especially one who's lived off name recognition the last couple years.
     
  12. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Here is one thing to consider.

    There are three players that could be extended or released that could help with cap space.

    Dan Carpenter $2.6 million base salary with around $330 in bonuses. Finding a cheap Division III kicker with a mega leg could knock around $2 million off the cap.

    Richie Incognito: $4 million base salary with just over $1 million in bonuses. Cutting him would save a decent amount or resigning him to a similar contract that he signed before could cut $3 million off the cap.

    Davone Bess: $2.6 million base salary with around $750 in bonuses. Giving him a similar contract he signed before could save between $1 to $2 million off of the cap.
     
  13. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I am no capologist but with our cap room I don't see why we can't resign all of them. The only big money should be Long and Bush. I don't see Hartline demanding #1 WR money, even if he has a record year, I would think they would base his next contract on his entire body of work. But that same argument would have to apply to Long with his superb previous year and his current "off" year. Bush is worth the money IMO.
    All of these guys are crucial to our current success and if we don't resign all of them we would be getting worse and creating more needs.
     
  14. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    The only one I agree with is Carpenter but I don't understand how all of this works. How could we redo contracts for less money? I would love to get rid of Carpenter and keep Incognito and Bess and redo their contracts but isn't that up to those players?
     
  15. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Why create a need at LT? Even if we move our RT to LT, why create a need at RT?
    I would have to first of all know if its impossible to resign everyone and then I would need to know who the replacement is. I don't want to use a draft pick for a need that we would create. That is just stupid IMO
     
  16. BigNastyDB13

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    I'd love to have Bush for 2-4 more years but if it comes down to giving Starks big money or Bush I'm going with Starks. I highly doubt Ireland signs Bush to a Mega deal considering the draft resources he's used on Thomas and Miller. Granted Thomas sucks though. You let Long walk and Bush is willing to sign a reasonable deal 4-7 million then yeah sign Bush. I wouldn't give him 8+ million though just as I wouldn't give Long more than 9 million a year.
     
  17. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    My intentions wouldn't be to draft Longs replacement. I'd sign a guy to take his place. There's several guys who are solid if not outright better than Long who will be free agents. Whether or not they get tagged or re-signed remains to be seen. Chances are we can't re-sign all of our guys or likely wont anyways. I'd prefer to use the money saved on long to get a guy to improve our pass offense or pass defense. Longs been incredibly average for his salary the last few years.
     
  18. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    But in your opinion is it possible to resign all of them and use the franchise tag on one of them if need be? I have no idea, but I hope its possible.
    I would be pissed off if we go into the next off season with more needs than we currently have. It would be a step in the wrong direction and it would set is back. And there is no gaurentee in free agency or the draft that any replacement would be better.
     
  19. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I agree that if we have to get rid of one of them, Long would be the best option so that we would have the money to resign the rest. But I just don't want to do that. Anyone we could get in free agency would come with their own current problems even if they were good in the past like Long.
     
  20. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Ill do a little research and get right back to you on that bro.
     
  21. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Thanks, I would be glad to research it if I had internet service and was on a computer instead of a phone. lol
     
  22. BigNastyDB13

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    Here's there 2012 salary Long 11.2 mill, Bush 4.5 mill, Starks 3.725 mill, Fasano 3.6 and Smith 565k. That's 24.890 million. Now factor in the raises those guys will get. Here's my fairly conservative estimates for those guys (I millions) Long 10, Smith 8, Starks 5, Bush 5, Hartline 4, Fasano 4. That's 36 million right there without taking into account the draft, which costs what 5-6 million? Plus signing guys to fill out the roster as depth guys.
     
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  23. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    I'm on a phone too so it'll take me a few minutes but ill try to find this article I just read that said how much money we have tied up in guys signed through next season.
     
  24. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Thank you very much. So it looks like about 42 million to resign all, cover the draft plus whatever we would spend in free agency.
    That sounds do-able. If I'm not mistaking we can do all that and still have a little room. We just can't go crazy in free agency.
     
  25. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    New PFF stat.... The Defense of Jeff Ireland ranks number two in the league.
     
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  26. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    Welcome. Its probably do-able but I'm not sure its the best way to go about it. We do however have a ton of draft picks so we don't necessarily have to be players in the fa market but it'd be nice to get a proven CB like a Sam Shields than relying on a rookie. It'll be an interesting off-season that's forsure.
     
  27. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    I'll take Sam Shields and Dwayne Bowe so that we could use the draft for the rest of our needs. If we can do that, that would take CB and WR off the needs list and that would leave the draft for S, DE, TE, K, and depth.
    We could possibly be need free if we follow that blue print even if we swap positions in free agency and the draft. I don't care how its done but if we could resign everyone and address those needs next off season, I will be very happy!
    We would be need free, create depth while doing that and use the rest of the draft for more depth.
     
  28. BigNastyDB13

    BigNastyDB13 Well-Known Member

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    That'd be perfect but I don't think its plausible. We could probably sign Shields or Wallace/Bowe but not both. Not if you intend on re-signing all our free agents. I'd be perfectly fine with re-signing our key free agents plus Shields and use the draft for WR, S, DE and TE. That'd cover all our needs and we d have picks left to add depth which we really lack everywhere outside of defensive line. One big help is having a good QB making peanuts. Tannehill is saving us about 10 million at that position.
     
  29. BigNastyDB13

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    I should've added that if you re-sign Fasano te isn't a huge need. It'd be nice to have a redzone mismatch but its not entirely necessary if you upgrade the #3 wr spot. The way I see it, if we re-sign all our free agents our only areas of great need are 1)CB 2)WR 3)FS 4)DE who can come in and apply pressure out of the nickel/dime. With 5 picks in the first 3 rounds that's very do-able.
     
  30. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Sounds good to me but you know the players that are high on Ireland's draft board will through a wrench into our plans. lol. I just wish for once we could draft the best available player according to our needs.
     
  31. BigNastyDB13

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    I'm OK with taking a player who doesn't necessarily fit an immediate need so long as he's the best player. That being said if we take a lineman of any kind before round 3 I'm going to throw a fit. Unless ofcourse we let Long walk and don't sign his replacement which would be silly as well. That 1st round pick needs to be a CB if there's one worth taking. You can find wr and safety in the 2nd round. Tough to find a good corner out of round 1. CB or stud pass rusher if possible in round 1. If not grab your WR and put that position to bed.
     
  32. Disgustipate

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    What exactly do you think it is that happens?
     
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  33. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Welcome to the site man
     
  34. RickyNeverInhaled

    RickyNeverInhaled Well-Known Member

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    Not sure what you're asking. If you're asking what I think will happen, we will draft the best available player in every round. I just hope that player fills needs at the same time.
    The popular tactic of drafting the best available player is great IMO, but I would rather not see that tactic until we have no or very few needs. And if we drafted according to needs like I prefer, I would want to trade down a lot whenever possible.
     
  35. electrolyte

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    What?

    Ireland DID try to acquire Orton. He wanted to trade picks for him.

    It was owner Stephen Ross who veto'd the deal and said no.

    Now the writer is giving that credit to Ireland?

    [video=youtube;qORouZ-qOgg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qORouZ-qOgg[/video]
     
  36. dbergan

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    Considering the price tag on Long this may not be a far fetched scenario. I guess we would need to look at who might be available next year and at what price. Probably need to look at both LT and RT since moving Martin back to his college position could be an option. If you could save $11M from Long, sign a replacement at either tackle position for a reasonable price you would free up a bunch of money. Of course the draft is also an option for filling the vacancy but thats kind of scary.

    If, however, there dont seem to be any viable options in FA for a Long replacement (with serious savings) I think we would be nuts not to keep him and just eat the cost. Many would say that a franchise LT is priceless.
     
  37. rafael

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    That's not what I had heard. I heard Ross asked Ireland to investigate what it would cost to acquire Orton. Ireland did and then advised that he wouldn't do it b/c the coming QB draft class was very good. Ross then followed Ireland's advice despite the fan chants at practice.
     
  38. Jaj

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    We have an offensive line! Wait no let's let go of Long...

    Draft, re-sign, draft. That's the way the team has to go.
     
  39. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    First thought to come into mind when reading the title:

    "Geez Cote, way to make a stand now, you gelatenous fair weather vanguard..."

    Way to stand by your man after the fight is already over.
     
  40. Den54

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    AMERICA!
    ^Love that little blonde.
     
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