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Miami dolphins vrs Rams..Refs, and "No life stadium.

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Oct 14, 2012.

  1. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Sorry for the misunderstanding...

    The attendance issue is more on the organization than the fans, b/c I personally am not a big believer in blindly and repeatedly spending money for a crappy product. They have gave us crap for a decade, and poor attendance is the result.

    However, fans showing up on time is on the fans, not the organization or the stadium. Fans sitting on their ***, not screaming on a 3rd down is on the fans, not the organization or the stadium. I mean, the Rams had the ball and it was 4th and goal from the 1… and I’m screamin’ my head off. I turn around to the fans above me and start waiving my hands upwards trying to get people off their *** and to start making noise… and people sat back in their chairs and looked at me like I was a weirdo.

    The fans that do go to game suck for the most part. They don’t get loud when we need them to, but if we have the ball and were going for it on 4th down, instead of being quiet they get loud as hell b/c they are stupid and think they’re cheering the team on.

    Our attendance is an organizational issue (even though there are plenty of fan bases that show up week after week regardless of how good they are – aka Buffalo/Cleveland). Everything else though regarding atmosphere is on the fans…

    Blaming the stadium, of all things, is a cop out...
     
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  2. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    That's total Bullcrap on all accounts.


    For one the game did sell out at game time. Now what makes ALL crowds go quiet? I'll tell you. It's when their team is down and when their team turns the ball over. Well, the first half saw Jay Feidler throw, not one, not two, but three interceptions!! At halftime the Miami Dolphins were down 14-0. So yeah, it was not loud thru the second quarter but it was crazy as hell during the first quarter and especially when Miami made a great defensive stand that made the Colts settle for a FG. I was sitting right there and it was loud as hell.

    The second half saw the Dolphins drive all the way down to score a Td which cut the lead in half. That drive took almost half of the 3rd quarter so yeah, being that the Dolphins offense was on the field during that drive, it was pretty quiet. The remainder of the 3 quarter was plenty loud because the Colts had two 3 and outs.....

    So as is in most stadiums, it got really loud in the 4th and on into Overtime....

    Payton Manning made a comment after that game about it being as loud as he's ever herd, and that it reminded him of the dome he plays in all the time.

    So get your facts straight before you call my post bogus
     
  3. Ozzy

    Ozzy Premium Member Luxury Box

    The Bills are more bandwagon than most fans in the NFL. When they sucked in the 70's and 80's their stadium was a ghost town. It was not until Kelly, Thomas and Smith brought them to 4 straight SB's! That's when they set an NFL record for attendance with somewhere around 90,000 fans at a single game. The in the 2000's they started to dissapear again when their team was floating at the bottom of the AFC East.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You make the building the star, you bring people to the stadium, you make it to intimidate, you accomplish something so much greater for the team, the fans, and the pockets..

    Our team is trying to win home games on a completely neutral field, unless of course it was back in 2009, when we played the jets and it was packed on a Monday nit..

    I can't believe that some are still denying why their team comes out flat at home in inordinate fashion year after year..that is a problem for a team trying to win games, and the building itself, has a lot to do with it.
     
  5. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    …and I cant believe you are still denying that the fans that do go to games show up late (which impacts early flatness), as well as sit on their butts and don’t scream or really do anything to add to the home field advantage.

    I mean, if everyone that was there was going crazy and the house was as packed as its gunna get that day from the coin toss, you’d have a point. But it simply isn’t like that DJ…
     
  6. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    One other thing that needs to be said, and this applies to fans of ALL franchises, is that the home viewing experience for NFL games has improved at an exponential rate over the last two decades.

    I got two tickets yesterday for free through my company. After my girlfriend and I paid for parking ($25), food ($15), Drinks ($30) we then sat in the brutal sun for 3 hours...OR you can sit at home in the AC and watch from your couch on a High-Definition Flat Screen for FREE.

    So it's not even that there's more competition for your dollar, it's that there's more competition for your viewing experience. Now, me personally? I'll opt to go to the game over sitting at home more times than not. I can see the field and the plays develop. It's nice. But for your average fan, I can see why they'd want to watch from home ESPECIALLY when the team isn't great.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

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    Thats ridiculous. Nobody is going to the game because they feel an obligation to cheer on the team. They go to the game to be entertained.
     
  8. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    but I can't believe you think a building cannot be constructed to improve atmosphere and increase energy..have you never encountered a great ballpark?

    Do you think people from Seattle agree with my theory, I would bet they understand the dynamics of their building.
     
  9. FinNasty

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    I was including watching the game on TV in that. Real fans arent missing the game, whether that be on TV or in person, for some other form of entertainment.

    If you'd rather go wake boarding than watch the Fins on TV... then you arent a real fan IMO.
     
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  10. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    So, a building is going to make someone scream their lungs out on 3rd down... when normally that same person would sit back and be quiet in our current building?

    I dont deny that a building can be constructed to trap in more crowd noise. However, that isnt going to change the personality or the football knowledge (be loud when THEY have the ball, and be quiet when WE have the ball) of our fans...
     
  11. Berezo

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    This probably the best reason given so far here. You have to realize that most fans aren't as passionate about a losing team as we are here. It has been a long time since we have seen consistent winning with this franchise. You take into account that the economy is bad and the product has been poor, add in that you can get a great NFL experience at home and avoid the heat.
     
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  12. Stringer Bell

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    Sure, but if you give fans the choice of watching the game live, or watching from a cabana at The W, I think I know which one most would choose.
     
  13. FinNasty

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    Ya, wasnt really arguing that with you. However, I personally cant stand watching the game anywhere but at home. I hate not being able to hear the broadcast and/or rewind with my DVR...
     
  14. JMHPhin

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    I watchh from home........cause I live in Ohio
     
  15. Stringer Bell

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    To me, nothing beats watching all the games on Sunday Ticket. I will never go to a live game unless its a night game.
     
  16. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    thats exactly what I'm saying..The building constructed correctly, will make the experience more intimate, the more intimate, the more involved you and others are inclined to participate, the more distance between you and the action, the more passive you are inclined to become....

    You know what's frustrating about this topic, besides the fact that few agree with me, is that it's obvious that our fanbase post orange bowl, is considered one of the most passive in the game, (the jokes are endless) and is deterioting as the years pass, yet most just wanna detach, and wait for wins to be the solution..

    There's a solution, it's just a matter if anyone upstairs gets it..Apparently not, well at least I'm not crazy, I know it works..see Seattle blueprint.
     
  17. Section126

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    They make the playoffs this year....

    The opener next year and every game as long as they look like a playoff team will be packed.
     
  18. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    DJ, the problem is you're spilling alot of digital ink about something that's never going to happen, at least anytime soon.

    We are not getting a new stadium in the next 10 years. It's not happening. So it's pointless to keep discussing, even if your thesis is correct (and I'm not sure it is).
     
  19. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    So with all the publicity that Seahawks fans are getting about themselves and their special building" lets switch situations with them, you wouldn't go to experience that energy in a uniquely built stadium for a dolphin home game?
     
  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The reason why I'll bring up the topic, is because I believe it's relevant to performance, also, if there are any ideas of dropping a quarter billion on renovations like they talked about before with our execs, I would vehemently disagree with that logic over building what I'm suggesting..
     
  21. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    DJ, it's nonsense. Yeah, the atmosphere is great now that the Seahawks are pretty good, but the team has to be good forst for the "energy" or whatever you want to call it to make a difference.

    2008- Seattle finishes 4-12 and goes an identical 2-6 at home and the road.
    2009- Seattle finishes 5-11, goes .500 at home, beating only luminaries Jax, STL, Detroit and SF (all teams finished below .500)
     
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  22. gandalfin

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    Didn't the plans for renovation include building additional stands closer to the field? DJ, I think this would go a long way towards improving the home field advantage by increasing the noise level on the field. Also if they do a partial roof, that will help too. The stadium is very big, granted, and the upper deck is far from the field, but you can sure see the whole field from up there.

    If those changes are implemented, and the team starts winning, things will be much better in that stadium IMO.
     
  23. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    But "It's a tough place to play!" remarked a victorious road team at their postgame press conference.
     
  24. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If your arguing that the energy inside that place, or places similar,and the anticipation to play in it, does not improve the players energy, even if its just in the beginning of the game, I'm gonna disagree, such energy limits the risk of a flat performance..our building cannot provide that..too far from the action.
     
  25. schmolioot

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    There were many, many years pre-Brett Favre that the Packers were terrible. Are you suggesting that during that time the players did not enjoy or anticipate playing at Lambeau?

    You see this argument the way you want to see it. You believe that the stadium itself creates this energy regardless of the performance of the etam, but it is just as likely, and probably could be deduced empirically, that a team which performs well at the beginning of games, gets the crowd pumped up.

    It's chicken or the egg.

    You simply assert that the Dolphins come out flat at Sun Life simply by virtue of being in the stadium, but isn't it just as likely that the crowd would be louder if the Fins came out playing well? Isn't that, in fact, what the players prepare all week for? Starting strong?
     
  26. Sceeto

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    This issue is always going to come up. The stadium will most always be like that because it's Miami. There are a lot of vacationers and timeshares and people who only live their for part of the year and.....there is actually stuff to do in Miami. That's not going to change. No offense, but do you think there's a lot going on in Buffalo or Green bay or Cleveland or Arizona, etc, etc, etc, etc...? I'm not putting down those areas or people from there, but it's just the facts. They are not like Miami and, for some of the reasons which I mentioned, the Dolphins have an unusual fan base in that's it's very spread out nationally. Winning will always get more people in the seats, but still, it's usually going to be more difficult in a place like Miami. No big deal.

    P.S.
    Ross has to get away from hiring "stars' and creating an image for the team. I mean... J-Lo? Mark Anthony? etc? That's great for the latino community who for the most part don't like football and like soccer. Also, they have to get rid of that god awful, pansy "shake it to the left-shake to the right" s--t song. Yeah, that inspires that football tough attitude. That should be played at some cheesy wedding or bat mitzvah. It's emabarrasing. :pointlol:
     
  27. FinNasty

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    DJ... the personality of the average fan down here is not like that of a fan from a more small town/blue collar city. They don't go crazy, scream non-stop, etc. That's regardless of the team or venue. Obviously, we on here are insane about the team, and as rabid as it gets fan wise. But unfortunately we are in the minority...
     
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  28. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    " THAT" stadium is the key word..when you are that distance away from the action I most definitely can believe that when there is no energy in the building, it will affect players who are very emotional and very gladiator like.

    There was no energy in that building at the beginning, and that's happened far too many times, and that's a combination of things, but to think that energy inside of a building can not directly cause reaction positively or negatively is absurd IMO.

    You remember the year we went 6 and 2 on the road, and 0 and 8 at home.. a part if that is because players don't feel the fans, there is no connection inside the building..it's truly a shame for them.
     
  29. HolliFinFan

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    Dam you just double-dissed Jimmy Buffett. It's "Fins to the left, Fins to the right" btw :lol:
     
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  30. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's true, and all the more reason why our situation is bad..your combining two bad things and putting it together..creates one thing, a lack of energy.
     
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  31. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    FN, someone built the exact blueprint of what I've been debating since the move, they actually did it, and you all are telling me I'm crazy..lol...The blueprint has had enough data and numbers for anyone to do some analysis on its advantages for the culture, the city, the perception, and the profit, it's a cash cow money making machine, and it's all because someone built it correctly, why?, is that so hard for anyone to see and understand when it's right in front of your eyes..

    My position is this, if were thinking about spending the money to renovate, we better do everything possible to get the message of the Seattle blueprint into the minds of our own..
     
  32. MrClean

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    I'd say so too. Someone who doesn't prioritize watching their team if at all possible every week during the season would amount to a casual fan IMO.
     
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  33. FinNasty

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    Fair enough...
     
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  34. Kud_II

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    Why do people act like the Dolphins are the only team in the NFL that has empty seats when they're bad? Maybe if they paint the seats so they aren't bright freaking orange it will be less noticeable. You know like the rest of the stadiums with empty seats of teams who suck.

    There are only a couple of teams in the NFL that would still sell out if the team was bad.
     
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  35. CRAZYFACE

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    Just WTH is wrong with the stadium??? Moan moan moan. I'll take some piccies of the "stadium" my local team has. Maybe then you stop all your whinging. As for slagging the music off, sheesh. Top quality make the stadium bounce stuff. If you can hear, and are complaining about the noise level, then you aren't making enough yourself.
     
  36. Bumrush

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    The entire premise of this thread incorrectly assumes the stadium is to blame for a lack of energy or noise on the field. This is wrong. Dead wrong. I attended a UM - FSU game at JRS 3 or 4 years ago that was every bit as loud and energetic as any sporting event I've ever been to. I'm talking 60k people standing up and cheering that literally had the building shaking. That one game convinced me that the venue can provide a distinct HF advantage and proved, beyond any doubt that the stadium itself is not the reason for the lack of energy in the place. It is the fans and only the fans.
     
  37. Bumrush

    Bumrush Stable Genius Club Member

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    And building a new stadium doesn't guarantee anything. Look at the Marlins and tell me how they fed off their new energy. Or look at the new Jets/ Giants stadium that has no heart or soul. Or even the new Yankee stadium that sounds like a morgue.

    I for one will not support a one billion dollar tax expenditure to build a new stadium when this one is fine. Especially if the NFL wants to make sure the new stadium in Miami is Super Bowl ready, filled with corporate suites and looking a lot more like the Meadowlands than Seattle. I'll pass and wait for the product to improve on the field
     
  38. Bumrush

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    DJ,
    Read this article and tell me you want this in Miami:
    http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/michael_rosenberg/10/16/yankees-fans-alcs/index.html

    http://www.captainsblog.info/2012/1...e-the-focus-as-yankees-limp-to-detroit/17957/

    Again, to back up the point, building a new stadium in this day in age WILL NOT result in a louder environment. Do you think the same ownership that opened up Club Liv and had red carpet is going to care about acoustics over suites, about an old school experience over $22 Sushi Rolls or $36 cocktails?

    Hell no. Leave JRS the way it is, renovate it as much as you can and build a winning team.

    This is also the same city that had 2 of the top 3 NBA players and 3 of the top 10 players in the league and still couldn't be in their seats on time and had to be taught how to "fan up" to the mockery of the rest of the sporting world.
     
  39. Berezo

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    I don't understand that song either! Why do they play this song instead of the Miami fight song when touchdowns are scored? Even if they don't want to play the Miami fight song at least throw in a Jock Jams CD or something. That fins to left the left crap annoys me every single time we score.
     
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  40. HardKoreXXX

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    They switched it back to the old Miami song after TD's now.
     

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