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2013 NFL Draft Thread

Discussion in 'NFL Draft Forum' started by UCF FINatic, Jul 23, 2012.

  1. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I said on Twitter that I really like him after watching his other games. I watched him against Hawthorne and he didn't beat him that bad. A lot of the issues were on the safeties. But what sold me was the UVA game. Then the A&M game confirmed it. Hes very good at the line and has quick feet; those two are the reason he gets open. Very Brandon Lloyd like. He can get vertical too.

    As for the JUCO stuff, I've been told hes been a leader from day one in the lockers. This was told to me by a person who was on the staff.
     
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  2. ssmiami

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    Any love for Ansah the DE/LB from BYU, he seems to be putting up some good stats.?
     
  3. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    I think he has upside but I don't see the lavish comparisons that are being given.
     
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  4. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Very intrigued by Rutgers' Khaseem Greene. A potential Cover-2, weak-backer type. Reminds me of Mike Peterson.
     
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  5. ToddPhin

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    Anyone seen Knile Davis lately to know if he's back to pre-injury form?
     
  6. BuckeyeKing

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    Ben Cotton is going to do work for whatever team drafts him. Good late round prospect.
     
  7. uab_phin

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    I didn't see him against Kentucky, but the times that I have seen him he hasn't looked right. I think that he's going back to Arkansas for his senior year.
     
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  8. uab_phin

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    I think Marcus Davis is an interesting prospect to watch, maybe the Stephen Hill of this class? 6'4 about 230 not sure what his 40 is going to be but he seems to have pretty good straight line speed once he gets going. He may be more of a project than this staff would like, but I wouldn't mind pairing him with Stedman Bailey or DeAndre Hopkins coming out of this draft.

    Also does anyone else think that Terrance Williams seems to have some Brian Hartline to him with how rarely he gets yards after contact?
     
  9. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Got to see Clowney in person today. He needs to work on his tackling, but that dude is nearly unblockable. Such a hell of a prospect.
     
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  10. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Too bad LB isn't our biggest need b/c I'd love to add Te'o and CJ Mosley. Those 2 together for the next 10 years would be outstanding. Anyone else believe Te'o draws comparison to Ray Lewis in talent, measurables, performance, and the way he mentally plays the game & QB's a defense?
     
  11. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was at the Tennessee vs. Alabama game last night. Here's my general notes on guys who stood out to me:

    C.J. Mosley was pretty impressive. He made some really nice plays and has some real range. I'd be pretty tempted to take him if he fell to Miami in round 2; that's even with having Kevin Burnett; I think Mosley is that good. I'd also take any of their 3 linemen in Warmack, Jones, and Fluker. They were impressive, especially Warmack. For a big guy, he's pretty mobile. Nico Johnson is good, but I think he's destined to play inside in a 3-4. Damion Square and Jesse Williams are very solid; not flashy, but solid. By that I mean neither is Marcel Dareus 2.0, but both will have long NFL careers.

    Dee Milliner didn't get tested much. He was beaten, BADLY, a few times, but Tyler Bray was either sacked or didn't look at who Milliner was covering (really disappointed in Tyler Bray). Robert Lester looked okay, then went out with an ankle injury in the 3rd/4th quarter. The other 'Bama CB, I think was Belue - not sure of the spelling - was pretty good.

    As for the Tennessee receivers, I was much more impressed with Cordarrelle Patterson than Justin Hunter. Hunter seemed lazy to me. Patterson is bigger, faster, and more elusive. He also struck me as being more consistent as well. But, Patterson needs some work on route running. Both struck me as either bad/lazy blockers down the field.

    Dallas Thomas, the LG for Tennessee stood out, but Warmack was the most impressive of any of the O-linemen all night. Tennessee's MLB A.J. Johnson is a pretty good player, but his range sideline-to-sideline got exposed. Alabama's got a lot of team speed.

    T.J. Yeldon is an absolute stud. It wouldn't shock me at all if he's drawing Adrian Peterson comparisons by the time he's draft eligible. It really wouldn't. He's big, fast, has outstanding vision and cutback ability, and doesn't go down. I mean that literally. I'd say at least half his runs were stopped by forward progress as he was literally not going down despite 4 or 5 guys trying to bring him down.

    Tennessee had a DE named Sentimore, sort of playing DE like how Miami has Jared Odrick playing end. The guy has a motor, and I believe had the only sack of the night for either team. I'd be more inclined to see if he could play a 3-technique instead of a 5-technique if I were Miami and interested in him. He has the look of a 3-4 DE.
     
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  12. ToddPhin

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    Warmack is a WIIIIDE body...... with extreme dicky-do syndrome. Needs to wear triple digits to make that spare tire look smaller. :lol:

    I'm completely smitten with Mosley and would think hard about taking him if he fell to the 2nd has well. What do you do if Te'o and Mosley happened to represent the overwhelming BPA at our 1st and 2nd pick?

    Do you feel Patterson is in the Arrelious Benn boat where he's significantly talented but might similarly struggle with the transition to the NFL?
     
  13. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Warmack could stand to lose a few pounds. But, if he's already that size, and can move that well...I'm impressed.

    Honesly, regarding Patterson, I've not really seen many Tennessee games leading up to last night, so it's tough to say. Tyler Bray was pretty bad, so that might have something to do with it. Patterson's got talent thought, and he was a lot faster than I anticipated him being.

    Was really impressed with Mosley. And Nico Johnson for that matter. Though I don't think Nico Johnson would be a target for Miami. To me, he's a 3-4 ILB. I think Mosley would essentially be what Kevin Burnett is. More of a coverage guy than Johnson, but more instinctual.

    I don't watch Notre Dame a whole lot, so I can't comment on Te'o. He looked good in the Michigan game (or was Denard Robinson that bad?), but that's all I've seen of him in 2012. I wouldn't put him up there with Patrick Willis, but he's solid. Not sure I'd burn a 1st round pick on him when Karlos Dansby's been playing as well as he has.
     
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  14. alen1

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    I don't know if Justin Hunter is lazy; he's just so smooth of a runner that he looks that way. I could be wrong, however.

    Dallas Thomas is fantastic. Played LT last year and was lights out. And I like Nico Johnson. He's better downhill than in reverse, no doubt, but I think he's good enough.
     
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  15. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Do you see Thomas as a G or T in the NFL? Most of the Tennessee fans we were sitting next to were raving about him. They also said you could bank on Patterson leaving early as well.

    I'll have to watch more of Justin Hunter. I don't know if it was Milliner being on him, but he really only flashed once last night and that was the deep ball before the half that he dropped. Belue did a nice job on him as well the few plays they were matched up.
     
  16. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    For what its worth Te'o is better in coverage than rushing the passer. Tackling machine. Good sideline to sideline.

    I don't think he is Pat Willis good either. Actually a pretty good comparison could be Luke Kuechly, in the terms of how they play and what they could bring to your defense.
     
  17. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    Keuchly was better in coverage than Te'o is IMO. Keuchly is also more disciplined.

    I think Thomas can play either without issue, honestly.
     
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  18. ckparrothead

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    While it's natural to be intrigued with Marcus Davis' frame/speed profile, I don't think he compares with Stephen Hill and I don't think Davis is (right now) a very good football player. More often than not when I watch VaTech playing, I see Marcus Davis dropping passes or running sloppily, making mistakes, etc. It's hard to say what kind of player a guy like Davis will grow into, because obviously with that size/speed profile the sky is the limit...but I'm just not that comfortable with him. He strikes me as a guy likely to be overrated.

    However, they have another guy that I'm more interested in than Marcus Davis and that is Corey Fuller. When you're "only" 6'2" and 196 lbs and you play next to a guy that is 6'4" and 232 lbs and runs solidly into the low 4.4's...you can get stuck in the other guy's shadow. But Fuller is in my opinion not only just as fast as Davis (if not faster) but he's also the better football player.

    Corey Fuller is newer to football, and I actually like that. Marcus Davis has been bumping around the VaTech receiver for a while now and with his size/speed profile there's always going to be a push to get him more involved. Yet, in his freshman, sophomore and junior years, Boykin and Coale clearly were in front of him, and at times so was Dyrell Roberts. As a senior he's emerged, but only because Coale and Boykin left. Corey Fuller on the other hand spent two years at Kansas on the track & field team before transferring to Virginia Tech in 2010. I don't believe he was allowed to play until 2011 because of transfer rules and with him having to re-acclimate to the sport you can imagine it took some time to get him back into the swing of things, so he only had one catch in 2011. He's a track & field guy with 4.33 speed but he's got a football family. His older brother Vincent played in the NFL for seven years. His brother Kyle is an All-ACC corner for the Hokies and his youngest brother Kendall is one of (if not the) the top rated QB recruits in the country. Corey is the fastest of the Fuller brothers.

    Anyway, when I watch the two play football, the one that stands out to me more is Corey Fuller. Just my opinion.
     
  19. alen1

    alen1 New Member

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    So when do we start talking about Michael Mauti of Penn State? The way he handled crossers vs. Illinois and other games is something else.
     
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    Any thoughts on Brandon Williams out of Missouri Southern. I haven't seen sack numbers for a defensive tackle like that. He has full size at 6-2, 315/320.
     
  21. BuckeyeKing

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    He had a strong first half against Ohio St. Him and Michael Hall were both sensational that half.
     
  22. ToddPhin

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    So who else wants us to draft either Jordan Reed or Chris Gragg if Clay doesn't appear anything less than an elite TE/HBack by season's end?
     
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  23. BuckeyeKing

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    I'm hoping Egnew makes strides in the offseason as it appears he will not play this year.
     
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  24. ToddPhin

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    Me too..... but IMO he's independent of what goes on at Hback. I'm hoping Egnew grooms into the primary TE role, where as I'd like to potentially see us draft Reed to serve as his complimentary Hback of the future should Clay not take a huge stride this season. I like Clay, but I wouldn't use him as a reason to not draft a talented player like Reed or Gragg.
     
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  25. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I like Reed. A lot. He would probably cost us a 2nd round pick though and at that point I would almost rather take a WR.
     
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  26. ToddPhin

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    I'd consider trading up a 3rd for him, but I think he has a good chance of being there in the 3rd b/c he's not a traditional Y TE and considering most of us believed Hernandez would go in the 2nd but lasted till the 4th. I agree about trying to land an impact WR before looking at hback.

    I guess we're playing ourselves out of Keenen Allen range so we might have to look at the 2nd round for a receiver depending what we do in FA. It'd be nice if Da'Rick Rogers checks out ok. He, Tavon Austin, and Reed would make a nice addition and quickly inject some big play ability, no?
     
  27. ToddPhin

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    So what are your thoughts on Elam?
     
  28. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    With the recent success of the TE that will push Reeds value up to the 2nd round. He has talent and is still getting better, he was a QB just a few years ago. I like Terrance Williams of Baylor a lot too. He would give us a speedy, lengthy option on the edge.
     
  29. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    Elam is a damn good safety. Always around the ball, very sure tackler. He could sneak into the back of round 1 with a solid workouts etc. I would consider taking a CB or DE with round 1 too. The good thing is we are kind of in a position to take BPA. Yes, we have holes but they are not gapping.
     
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  30. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    I don't think we have holes per se on defense either. I think we have positions that could be upgraded upon via BPA, but not actual holes. I could see Elam being around at one of our 2nd round picks. He'd make a nice addition. If we end up drafting in the 16-24 range then I believe we'll be in great position to pick a top pass rusher, corner, or WR..... or even nab a top 12-15 caliber BPA stud who slips through the cracks.
     
  31. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I think Elam is actually better in run support than he is in the passing game. I only say this because he is always around the LOS making tackles; this could be a product of him always being aware and going to the ball or it could be a function of they way they use him. To be honest, I am not great at evaluating safety play other than how they tackle, angles taken, in/out of position, etc. That being said, if you aren't specifically watching a S to evaluate them it is pretty hard to just say how good they are (since a lot of the stuff they do is off screen). Since I just got to UF this year I have mostly been watching the team as a whole. I am better at evaluating CB, LBs, and DL (Watch out for Fowler is a few years, he has 1st round game to him at DE). Maybe someone else could give you a better opinion on Elams coverage skills.

    With our 5 picks in rounds 1 to 3 I could see us going many different ways. I can almost guarantee that we will draft 1 WR, 1 OL, and 1 CB/S.
     
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  32. djphinfan

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    Elam has that Vontae Davis quick twitch explosive gene.
     
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  33. RoninFin4

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    Just throwing out some names I'd see as potential targets, two for each position:

    OL - Chance Warmack - 'Bama, and Jonathan Cooper - North Carolina
    WR - Terrance Williams - Baylor, and Quinton Patton - Louisiana Tech
    CB - Xavier Rhodes - Florida State, and Justin Gilbert - Oklahoma State
    S - Matt Elam - Florida, and Tony Jefferson - Oklahoma

    I'm also tempted to put T.J. McDonald of USC in the safety list as well given the physical traits that Ireland's sought out at that position with Reshad Jones and Chris Clemons in terms of size; I don't think Elam and Jefferson are what he'd normally look for, but this year Ireland's been breaking away from the prototypical "planet theory" types of guys. Exhibit A would be his cutting of Clyde Gates. World-class speed, but as Joe Philbin said, he was a neophyte as a route-runner. Thus why I didn't include McDonald right now.
     
  34. RoninFin4

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    I'm glad Miami's had the luxury of "red-shirting" Egnew this year. I know Chase Coffman really struggled with Cincinnati as a rookie. They lost Reggie Kelly and Ben Utecht to injuries and camp and were forced to play Coffman. The results were disastrous; I think the ended up bringing in like Donald Lee and Daniel Coats, and BOTH played over Coffman. I think Martin Rucker has struggled as well post-injury.

    Maybe this tactic will break the mold, so to speak, with Missouri TEs making the jump to the NFL.
     
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    If the Dolphins end up as a Wildcard team and lose in the first playoff game, what position do they end up in the draft?
     
  36. ToddPhin

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    21-24 depending on our record and SOS.
     
  37. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    The problem with Egnew is he didn't seem to do anything right in preseason. He couldn't block and couldn't catch. If you can't do those things as a TE you are pretty much screwed. I honestly wonder if we would have cut him had he been a later round pick and not a 3rd round pick.
     
  38. ToddPhin

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    The underlined part is why I'm not concerned at the moment. One thing Egnew can do is catch, so if he's having issues with it I'm assuming it's b/c his head is/was swirling and needs time for the game to slow down to where he can stop thinking so much and let the naturalness take over.
    But he was a 3rd round pick, and it was for a reason, so it's not really fair to Egnew to hypothesize, "well, what if he had minimal enough talent coming out of college to not be drafted and he had trouble blocking & catching, would we have cut him.". Egnew wouldn't be the first TE who needed a year or two to develop in the NFL, especially now that more and more of them are being asked to block less and less.
     
  39. TNphinfan

    TNphinfan Always soo close... Club Member

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    As you can tell by the name, live in TN, and NO NO NO to Da'Rick. He is a headache waiting to happen. He will be suspended more than being on the field. I'd rather get Cordarrell Patterson from Tennessee if we are going to go that route (if he does indeed leave a year early). Man just makes plays all over the place.
     
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  40. ToddPhin

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    but is Cordarrell nothing more than an Arrelious Benn 2.0?
     

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