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**The Official 2012-13 NBA Thread**

Discussion in 'Other Sports Forum' started by Muck, Jul 11, 2012.

  1. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Wow. See, I didn't know that. I knew it was in there but I thought they could easily negate it by signing him to an extension and removing it.
     
  2. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    Sure, I can agree with that. He'll get a max contract in Miami in my opinion.
     
  3. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Section, can you confirm or refute this? It's in response to signing an extension before opting out.
     
  4. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    It's also very possible he doesn't opt out. Lebron is a marketing icon. It's possible the opt out is just there in case the whole big three thing didn't work out. Lebron isn't exactly hurting for money. He will be doing commercials and events long after he retires. He may be truly fine with a less than max deal if the team is highly competitive and winning.
     
  5. Mainge

    Mainge Season Ticket Holder

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    Even if he doesn't want an annual salary raise, he'd almost assuredly want more years on his contract as insurance just in case.
     
  6. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    True, but I don't think he'll leave Miami. Honestly I kind of had a gut feeling he would leave Cleveland with the roster they put around him. I didn't know where he'd end up of course I'm not some sort of psychic. In the end I don't really care what his contract details are so long as he stays.
     
  7. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    That was the other CBA.

    Contracts of 4, 5 or 6 years can be extended during the final contract year, or tentatively agreed to.

    In the Heat's case, they would be wise to allow for all three players to opt out, so they can take "scale" in order to keep adding players such as they have so far. (game the cap like they did in 10')

    If they want "money", Bron, Wade and Bosh would be wise to NOT opt out and addon to their contracts at 7.5% increases.

    it is in Lebron's best interests to NOT opt out if he cares about money because the rate of increase is 7.5% in the new CBA.

    Either way, all the extensions are likely to be 4 years full at the max.

    My VERY WELL EDUCATED guess is that the Heat will encourage Bosh and James to opt out to make their deals going forward, more cap friendly. It is in Wade's best interest to opt in regardless.
     
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  8. Mainge

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    Appreciate it, Sec.
     
  9. Anonymous

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    If Lebron opts out of his deal, do the Heat have first dibs to discuss contract negotiations?
     
  10. Fin-Omenal

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    He left Cleveland when 2 of the past 3 seasons they had 60+ wins and a finals appearance.

    He formed a deal to form a mini dream team because he wasn't interested in all the weight on his shoulders. He chose to be Magic as opposed to Michael. Personal choice I suppose.
     
  11. Mainge

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    They can discuss it all they want between now and the day he opts out, but once he opts out, he's an unrestricted free agent.
     
  12. Anonymous

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    Got it. So basically there just has to be this level of trust between Lebron and Miami. Does this happen often? Seems pretty risky.
     
  13. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    This is ridiculous and you know it. No-one could have won a title in Cleveland. Their roster without James would have had difficulty beating a final four team in the NCAA tourney.

    Jordan didn't do so well with all the weight by the way....tell me how many titles he won before Pippen.
     
  14. Fin-Omenal

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    They made a finals...so it's not a reach to say they were good enough to win it all. And Jordan had to wait until they got lucky with Pippen.
     
  15. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    The point is Jordan never did it alone...no-one did. The fact that Cleveland even made the finals is a testament to how good LBJ is. Next season without him they were the worst team in the league.
     
  16. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Who cares. He was never winning a ring in Cleveland with the tards in their front office. It would of been like Iverson leaving Philly to join a team that could give him a championship since Billy King is the worst GM in basketball. As a 76ers fan, I wouldn't even have been mad at Iverson. Just would of been ever more anger directed at Billy King being terrible at his job. There's no winning championships by yourself in the NBA. Cleveland has only one person to blame, Dan Gilbert.
     
  17. Fin-Omenal

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    You guys pretend to know that Cleveand would not have signed a worthy wing man for LBJ by now....impressive assumption.
     
  18. Silverphin

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    While we are assuming, we are doing so based off what we have seen from Cleveland during the James Era. So, with tht said, are assumption is really reasonable.
     
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  19. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Considering the idiots in their front office, that's a reasonable assumption.
     
  20. Stitches

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    Why exactly is Chris Grant an idiot?
     
  21. Fin-Omenal

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    Not a huge sample size.

    If I threw an obscure stat out about the Dolphins and their likely hood to only win 6 games this year based on what we have saw the past 10 years would be a bad way to look at the situation.

    They were in the finals, if he would've stayed I don't doubt they would have made it again and gotten a decent #2 option who also didn't fornicate with his mother.
     
  22. Section126

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    Of course.
     
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  23. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    I think he is referring to the Gilbert / Ferry dynamic duo
     
  24. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    As Sec said, I was referring to Gilbert/Ferry.
     
  25. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    So he should have waited for something that may or may not have ever happened instead of taking his destiny into his own hands? Isn't that what we tell our youth to do? Take control of their fate? I'm sorry but if he wasn't born in the state of Ohio no-one would give a f**k that he left Cleveland.

    Shaw and Dwight both left Orlando. CP left his team. It happens. Unless you're just mad because the world thought he would be a Knick....
     
  26. Fin-Omenal

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    Calm down skipper..I'm not insulting James, I'm giving my take on why he left. Take a Valium and get ready to watch another step in the wrong direction for the 'U'.

    :up:
     
  27. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    :lol:

    I'm going to need some Valium, Xanax, a blunt and alcohol to get me through the FSU-UM game.
     
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  28. Silverphin

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    Difference being is that James was under the same staff for pretty much all of his time at Cleveland while Miami was under four different coaching staffs.
     
  29. Frumundah Finnatic

    Frumundah Finnatic U Mad Miami?

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    And here I thought Knicks fans were dumb and delusional.
     
  30. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Lakers fans have always shared that honor with Knicks fans, right along with Celtics fans.
     
  31. Boik14

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    Sixer fans distance everyone in that race. Fans of all Philly and Boston teams are always the worst.
     
  32. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    Philly fans have their own problems, but being delusional about their teams isn't one of them. New York, Boston, and L.A. however...
     
  33. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Bingo, Larry, Moe, and Curly of the delusional brigade
     
  34. PhinsPhan11

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    We are passionate about our teams, not delusional.
     
  35. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    New Yorkers are not delusional, they are passionate about their teams. Philly fans are just flat out silly.
     
  36. Mrtree

    Mrtree Juan Huron's agent

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    Sorry but NYers are hopelessly delusional. Every team that even inspires to mediocrity is pimped as a championship team by the NY media and the fans eat it up. I've seen it WAY too often to be convinced elsewise.
     
  37. Mainge

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    I think people are people, and every fanbase* has their share of intelligent fans, delusional people, crazies, etc. because people are people.

    But what do I know.

    *this, of course, excludes the Jets fanbase, who are all bat**** insane.
     
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  38. Boik14

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    First of all, the NY media is the worst and many NY sports fans know this. Donnie Walsh had an interview in the NY Times over the weekend and said it best when he was asked about this. He prefaced it by saying in Indianapolis he would go out and watch practice, watch shoot around and watch the games up close and personal. In NY if he did that he would get bombarded by 40 media members and it made it unpleasant on him and on the athletes. In general the NY media sucks.

    The fans however, just like any other fan base want wins and banners. Theres just a lot more of us then there are in most cities and we make a lot more noise because of it.
     
  39. Clipse

    Clipse mediocrity sucks

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    You and Fin-O might be the only non-delusional Knicks, Nets, or Jets fan that I've seen.
     
  40. Boik14

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    Well ill take that as compliment. But the same goes for you as a Sixer fan. Ive met some real crazy/stupid ones both at MSG and Philly. Im guessing you have done the same which lead you to that opinion.
     

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