WOW....Hurricane stadium, a cultural phenom.

Holy **** that looks awsome.. We need that for the Dolphins.. PS these look like UFO's! Maybe thats all the sittings being reported. Future Football teams traveling in their stadium to events..

 

I'm afraid that you're the one refusing to understand. Win games and fans will come! Almost every city is the same.

 

When the fans want to come the noise comes with it. Which is the creation of energy.

Bad = Emptyness

Good = Possitive energy

Very good = Sustained energy

 

As a UM fan since 1961, I have always felt that it would be great to have an on campus stadium. Unfortunately the citizens of Coral Gables will never allow it. Every time the possibility of an on campus stadium has been suggested over the years, the citizens of Coral Gables have opposed the idea. The University can not build a stadium without the approval of the Coral Gables community and I just don't see it ever happening.

I think the move to the Dolphins stadium, which is just too far from the University, has been a big negative for the football team. Many UM students don't attend the games because of the distance they have to travel to get to the games. I think overall attendance would dramatically increase with an on campus stadium, but unfortunately it appears the team will be playing in Dolphin stadium for many years to come.

 

You're just overlooking the facts. The stadium has already frustrated opponents enough to where they've commented on it in the past. The energy needed comes from being good. I'll be damned if I'm going to games to scream at the top of my lungs for an entire game (spending at least 150 bucks) to see a bunch of int's, 3 and outs, penalties and losses. Those are the results of bad product and bad coaching. That's how it's been for the last decade.

We've already noticed a change of atmosphere at the stadium this season. The Raiders game was 50,000 people at MOST and the Dolphins played a very nice, complete game. On TV we could hear the place was pretty loud.

We've seen the same thing right here in our own forum! The excitement is growing and it's the product that's doing it.

 

Looks like a modern version of The Orange Bowl. I like it....
....if it were for the Dolphins.

 

Energy can neither be created nor destroyed, no?

 

energy can change its location within the system

 

Yeah no disrespect DJ and I don't care how many games you say you've been to. It is obvious that you've hated Joe Robbie stadium since it began because of your love for the old Orange Bowl.

As for the part in bold. You have no clue what you're stating! It sucks now because the team has sucked. Period!

 

Just like I don't understand why you make a thread almost every single week about the stadium.

But do get your facts straight please. I said it long before you! Yes, the sideline seats need to be closer. Because when the team is good then the fans can get into it more and have some more fun on the sidelines. The endzones are already close and it's a totally wild time there. Not because it will automatically bring energy to the team. That's not how it works here! You better be at least good or the fans won't support you........

 

Wrong

 

Those stadium designs look amazing. If it happens, it would be great for the Hurricanes; and the Dolphins would certainly need to put forwards some impressive renovation plans in order to not be out done!

 

You post threads about it because people agree? Then why didn't you post this link in the Miami Hurricanes thread? It makes sense for them to be near campus. Hurricane fans might be in aggreement but most of us Dolphins fans realize that the owner just got a new stadium so we're pretty much sticking with that we have...

So back to reality for me I guess. Now please re-read the post you quoted from me. The bottom part.

The problem is, is that you keep harping on something that is not happening! There will not be a new stadium and it's more than likely that the renovations that get done won't be to your liking either.

 

Where would that go on campus and where is the parking ? Other than that, this would be a dream stadium. Donna make it happen.

 

thing is there is no room on the Miami campus for that or any stadium. 2nd the City of Coral Gables would definitely put up the biggest hurdles against any of this happening. Anyone promoting this is just wasting their time.

Effort on a stadium at Tropical Park, now that makes sense and is really doable.

 

Well its because the Marlins didn't get public funding. They got tourist tax dollars. That little tax we approved in 2002 that collected 1% on every $ 100 spent on a hotel on Miami Beach. That was collected and then the county used those funds and the Marlins put in $ 155 million themselves.

But if people keep telling a lie often enough it becomes truth, and there is not truth in the lie that Marlins Park was paid for with general fund taxes. This was a tax that most people in Dade-County never paid.

 

Exactly.....this is why I don't understand why DJ you keep pushing for this on-campus site. That is NEVER going to happen. Coral Gables is one of the most stuck up and anti-fun places in the world. I know I live there !!!! And most of the city commissioners are either U of F or FIU grads, they hate the U.

Hell it took almost 6 years for the U to get the baseball stadium upgrades approved by the City, and then they delayed the new scoreboard from being installed for a whole year, even though they had already approved it 2 years before, claiming they lost the paperwork. It was infuriating.

Now Tropical Park on the other hand......push for that.

 

First off, Marlins Park is beautiful and a great place to watch a game.

2nd the funding being from public money is a non-truth. It came from tourist taxes.

 

Ozzy I respectfully disagree with you sir. Marlins Park was not funded by hook or crook. It was done in the open despite what some detractors want to say. Dare I remind people the reason Norman Braman put up a fight against Marlins Park, was because he didn't get his property tax exemption renewed by the City of Miami. He finally had to pay his fair share of taxes and was mad about it. And was incensed when the Marlins Park was approved.

People always mix up and don't understand the Marlins Park and the Parking garages are two separate deals one was the county (the stadium) and the city was the parking garages. How the City of Miami paid for the garages is criminal and might land some people in jail, as the government is looking into that. The Marlins are free and clear of that investigation again despite the half-truths and lies that are put out there on that subject.

 

The Marlins will contribute $155 million to the project, with $35 million coming in the form of annual rent payments of $2.3 million a year, The city of Miami will contribute $13 million in hotel bed taxes plus $10 million to demolish the Orange Bowl and prepare the site. The city will also oversee the building of a $94 million, 6,000-space parking garage which the Marlins will lease.
Miami-Dade County will own the venue and contribute $347 million. $50 million will come from a general obligation bond approved by voters in 2004 for an earlier ballpark proposal. The remainder will come from hotel bed and professional sports facilities franchise taxes.

 

Sorry but it was approved by hook n crook! A newly elected Mayor lost his city seat over it. The entire deal was approved on the assumption that the Marlins needed all of the money they were asking for when in fact they did not disclose all of the money they were making from MLB revenue sharing. The Marlins hid the facts.

The total cost is: $2.4 billion, spread over 40 years, to repay $409 million in bonds that will primarily, though not exclusively, cover stadium construction. Roughly $100 million will refinance existing bond debt and another $9 million goes into a debt service reserve fund. The result is $300 million for stadium construction, financed in two ways.

One portion, underwritten by Merrill Lynch totaling $220 million, has an interest rate of 6.4 percent and requires immediate repayment. In October 2010 the county must pay $9.6 million, though there are questions over whether tourist taxes will meet that. Annual payments run through 2049 and climb as high as $71 million per year.

The second portion, underwritten by JP Morgan, is for $91 million, $80 million of that for construction. That carries an 8.17 rate, but repayment doesn't begin until 2025. Yet that grace period comes with a big price: $83 million a year for three years starting in 2038. Then, starting in 2041, six years of payments totaling $118 million annually. Total cost to retire the debt: $2.1 billion.[32]

Not listed in the breakdown are the annual charges that the city is required to pay for the lifetime of the contract, which are as much as $2.25 million per year for the parking-facilities taxes and maintenance fees of the stadium.

The Marlins received an interest free, $35 million loan from the county that it will pay back through yearly rent beginning at about $2.3 million and increasing 2 percent each year.

 

UM alum Alonzo Highsmith has put himself into the middle of this movement. He's thinking Tropical Park. This latest talk about a stadium came about from a Twitter storm he wrote after the Canes-Irish game. He also appeared at the end of last week's CanesFam podcast and said the following:

Tropical Park would be good for the Dolphins. Question is would the Canes want to share their park with the Dolphins. If they didn't they could just stick to a 50,000 seat number and not budge.

 

He'd have to approach them just to discuss the fate of the lease with Sun Life. Both teams shared a great home field advantage back in the 80's together. A Hurricane Park would upstage Sun Life so badly in that regard.

If his statements on investors are more than lukewarm, this sounds a lot like the big response the Packers got when they were permitted to sell team public shares outside the state of Wisconsin. Highsmith should reach out to Dolphin fans as well.

 

Well he's @alonzohighsmith but there's also a @BuildMyStadium twitter committed to the same thing.

 

I have repeatedly acknowledged that! Redundantly even...


Btw, what does that first paragraph say?

 

Highly unlikely! One reason would be because a huge portion of the Dolphins season ticket holders are from Palm Beach on up. Another would be because they need more than a 50,000 seat stadium. More like 60,000. Say they would accept 50,000 then it better have plenty of luxury boxes because that is where they get their instant profits. Then we get into the money portion. A new stadium is going to be upwards of 800 million and that's a hellava lot of investors! Those investors are not going to be doing this for the sake of donating. They will want their shares and so will the NFL, who gets around 40 percent of all ticket sales.

As it stands now, the Dolphins actually get money from the stadium they have. A new stadium will cut those profits in more than half.

The Hurricanes absolutely need their own stadium so I'm all for it but don't count on the Dolphins looking to partner up with them.