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Chis Clemons...some respect..

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Oct 29, 2012.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Dolphin leading tackler with 9

    One Int in the redzone..with a 30 yard return..

    Not beat over the top...

    Part of a unit that is elite in both categories, red zone defense efficiency, and 2nd in the keague in 3rd down opponent conversion rate...4 th in passer rating at 75.4..

    Do we have a high average of total pass yards against?, yes, that's because we punk the run, and teams wind up passing more...Sanchez 53 attempts for example..

    Hey Clean..dudes done alright this year..

    Defense needs a Bad Boyz poster shot..
     
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  2. jsizzle

    jsizzle Banned

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    agreed! :knucks:
     
  3. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    "Bad Boyz Bad Boyz, whucha gonna do"

    Fits with our new pissed off style of playing defensive football.

    I love defense...
     
  4. 2xBlown

    2xBlown Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I get the feeling that Coyle is brilliant more than Jones or Clemons have all of a sudden turned into elite players.

    Still when I watch Clemons and Jones, they seem to be a step behind a lot of the time. They're not bad, but they're not top echelon players at their positions in my eyes.
     
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  5. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    Game to game gradual improvement could make them pretty good as the season progresses. We can hope.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Nobody said he was elite..just better production relative to the criticisms.
     
  7. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Not being bad is a huge step in the right direction... lol
     
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  8. Jagfish

    Jagfish Season Ticket Holder

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    And he cut his dreads. Anybody have dreads on this team? He really has seemed to improve. So far this staff has been able to get guys to improve much faster than the last.
     
  9. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    That was actually a pretty nice catch on the int too.
     
  10. Jaj

    Jaj Registered

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    It's interesting though if you Coyle is the a big part of why these guys took the next step. If that's the case you could argue that throwing a pick towards Coyle (Xavier Rhodes) could do wonders.
     
  11. HULKFish

    HULKFish Artist and Scribe

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    I for one think Clemons has improved greatly this season! His coverage is better and tackling is MUCH improved.
     
  12. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Coyle has a reputation in the league as a bit of an alchemist with a secondary.
     
  13. KB21

    KB21 Almost Never Wrong Club Member

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    Well, if you look at what he did with Reggie Nelson and Chris Crocker in Cincinnati, you can easily draw the conclusion that Kevin Coyle is undoubtedly doing something that "covers up" the weaknesses of his safeties. This may otherwise be known as putting your players in a position to succeed by understanding what they do well and what they don't do well.

    Are they top players? I don't think so. In fact, if you look at the objective data WPA and +EPA, both players are around the bottom of the league among starting safeties. Based on this, I still see this as an area that will need to be looked at hard for improvement in the offseason. Both players are young though, and they may improve in the playmaking department.
     
  14. padre31

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    Well, have to say since turnover output has doubled compared to this point last yr, Coyle and Jones/Clemons are doing something properly

    Still think CClemons is completely upgradeable, rarely have I seen a Safety with such slow reactions.
     
  15. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    " the Alchemist"... Very cool music producer..

    The song..."hold you down"...with Prodigy, produced by the Alchemist.


    http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=75jeLjUC5sA


    Check it out D, turn it up..bout as cool as it gets.

    He's the white boy if you didn't know..bad *** white boy.
     
  16. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If Kevin Coyle has a claim to fame, I think it's coaching up safeties in the mold of Clemons and Jones.

    That being said, I don't think you can take that much credit away from them. They're both playing quite well, to the point where it's going to be pretty difficult to justify replacing them without stumbling upon a guy BPA.
     
  17. thisperishedmin

    thisperishedmin Well-Known Member

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    I love your avatar haha
     
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  18. Fineas

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    I agree. PFF has Jones as the 4th rated S and Clemons as 18th, which puts him in the top 30% percent of starting safeties. The Dolphins are 4th in opponent passer rating, 1st in opponent 3rd down conversion percentage, and although Dolphin opponents are passing against them more than any other team in the league, we are still in the top half of the league in fewest 20+ and 40+ yard plays allowed. That all speaks pretty well of the safety play. They haven't given up a TD to an opposing TE and although they have given up some yards, i-hasn't been anything crazy and I think that is part of the bend-but-don't-break nature of this pass defense.
     
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