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Thomas and Miller to get more reps?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by djphinfan, Nov 6, 2012.

  1. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/...-with-rushing-attack-20121106,0,7889236.story


    “When you do something well in this league people are going to do whatever they can to take it away from you, and certainly people have schemed up pretty well. Now we should respond better than we have responded,” Sherman said. “We should be well over 100 yards per game rushing, but we haven’t been able to do that for a couple games here now. So we’re going to push the envelope this week on that and try to get back to the way we were running the football.”

    Not sure what "push the envelope" completely means in Sherman's context, but my guess [or hope] is it means the Dolphins will use more of Daniel Thomas, who has received a steady diet of work the past two games, and rookie Lamar Miller, the former University of Miami standout who carried the ball once against he Colts, gaining 7-yards on a sweep."

    I'm ready to give Thomas and Miller more reps..If Reggie is gonna play like a third down back, then maybe his reps should go down.

    Edit..I'm hearing folks that said that Miller was getting chewed out on his one play because he didnt know what was going on..
     
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  2. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    i guess his inability to pick up scheme and react in a proper fashion is questionable.. We run a full time no huddle offense,the curve might be a bit steeper for those with less aptitude.
     
  3. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I'd rather see one back, whether it be Bush, Thomas or Miller be given enough carries to get into a rhythm and have the others be used just as quick spot relief or as a 3rd down back. I've never thought giving 1 RB a series here and another a series there as an effective way to manage RBs.

    Then again, it's so much more about passing these days that it really doesn't matter.
     
  4. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    :headscratch: Miller dances as well as if not better than John Avery did on the inside.
    If he was setting the world on fire he would be out there but he isn't.
    I'll trust the coaches on not putting him on the field. He looks clueless.
     
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  5. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Speed doesn't equate to a running back being great. Once again I'll use the Avery reference.
    He used to trip over his own feet all the time. Had some good burst and decent runs rarely but was a bust.
    There is good reason why Miller isn't on the field. Could be he is not as good as Dolphin fans want him to be.
     
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  6. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Remember when everyone was wanting to extend Reggie after that Raiders game? I'm glad Ireland cooled the jets on that one. Really glad.
     
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  7. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    the poor house
    nobody and I mean nobody can entertain me in the running game like Ricky Williams did .

    I would love to find another Ricky Williiams or even a Andra Franklin typ back .


    i do like Lamar Miller but what about Javorski Lane what is your opinion on the J train ?
     
  8. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The "Butterball" is a nice story, and he's done alright this year. I'd still be looking for a better blocking back than him though.
     
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  9. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    It is a ludicrous reach to think that Lamar Miller is going to come in and help us more than Reggie Bush.
    This Sherman pushing the envelope with the running game idea seems a bit laughable to me.
    Here we go again with another egotistical OC trying to mess things up by over thinking.
    Of course the solution is an assumption anyway.
     
  10. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I was one..
     
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  11. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Not that it's helping Miami, because it'd be making more holes to not bring them back, but I think you could make similar cases for Brian Hartline and Sean Smith and waiting them out.

    Randy Starks is the only free agent that I believe fully deserves an extensions based on play thus far. I think Fasano is in line to get one as well, but some of that's due to who is behind him on the depth chart.

    Jake Long...I think you have to franchise him and see what he does next year. I'd like to think if they can get him back down to that 310-313lbs range he was at from the Combine and into his rookie year, that might help him out. He just doesn't look the same, movement-wise, this year.
     
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  12. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    I'm not opposed to DT getting carries. I like the guy. He runs hard.
    The rub for me is the suggestion to use Reggie on third down only.
    That is the ludicrous part.
     
  13. ExplosionsInDaSky

    ExplosionsInDaSky Well-Known Member

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    I think we need to go with the hot hand. Bush has 8 games to earn his extension, Thomas has 8 games to prove he can be a starter, and Lamar Miller has 8 games to prove he's got a bright future.
     
  14. VanDolPhan

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    Agreed. Break the bank to retain Starks. Fasano should not be that expensive at all. Franchise Jake. See if you can't upgrade in FA over Smith for virtually the same cash. Hartline...only if he signs for Bess money. And I'd let Bush go...find a in between the tackles runner (DT isn't it) who can also fill in reasonably enough at FB (to put him and Miller on the field at the same time) and hopefully Miller gets with it and he can be the change of pace outside the tackles guy.
     
  15. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    The one play Miller was in I remember Tannehill yelling at him seemingly. It's quite clear that he is struggling to learn his assignments. The talent is there but the brain isn't yet.

    Thomas has been better recently and Bush has struggled a bit. The run game as a whole needs to be better.
     
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  16. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    I've got a feeling Whitey is going to be eating his words with Miller. Pouncey even said it himself, that Miller was the most exciting player the Dolphins have. He dances less than Bush and hits the hole with great burst; unlike Thomas who may hit your linemen square in the back. Incredibly graceful with his footwork, Miller will continue to shine when he is inserted and continue to show that he has a bright future in the NFL.

    He's working his way out of Philbin's immaculate doghouse. Did anyone else notice how after his only rush last Sunday, Lamar walked right past Philbin after his eight yard gain and Philbin nodded his head as if to say, "Alright young man, alright..."

    Two boys from the U...Two studs.
     
  17. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    I'm no Cane fan or anything, but its clear that he's plenty good at running the ball. His YPC speaks for itself, aside from just watching how well he runs. That's not why he isn't getting reps.

    He isn't getting reps b/c he's ******ed and doesn't know where his blitz pickup assignments are... getting Tanny killed. With a rookie QB, pass pro is paramount. I think he's got good pass pro technique, it's just a matter of knowing where he's supposed to be. And right now he's lost in that regard. Hopefully, that will improve over time...
     
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  18. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    This is beginning to look like the writing is on the wall for Bush. His contract ends and if Miller & Thomas play decent, I can see this happening, especially with the looming rebuilding we'll be doing after this season. Bush will be expendable.
     
  19. jsizzle

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    Miller had one run for 7 yards through a hole so big I could have run through it.

    Relax.
     
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  20. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good description about his footwork, it's what stuck out the most about his game, in camp I talked about how his vision was in sync with his footwork, and it was cool..hope the young man catches up soon.
     
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  21. jdang307

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    DT isn't making that ankle busting TD run.

    DT had some good runs, but I also recall (hazily) 2nd or 3rd and 1 and he gets 1/2 a yard. Then 3rd and 1 and he gets another half. Barely getting a first down lol.

    I may recall incorrectly, but that's my recollection.
     
  22. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Because Miller is as dumb as a rock. Thomas is right behind him the the mentality of a sea sponge followed closely by Clay who is having problems counting past ten. Between the three of them if on the outside world they would be best at stocking shelves at Walmart. Yes, its true.
     
  23. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Lol, wow. Easy there bro. Learning the blitz protections is always the hardest part and biggest transition for rookie RBs. A lot of the time, most teams don't have the depth we do at the position, so they have to live with the mistakes. But with our depth, combined with the extreme importance we have to place on pass pro due to having a rookie QB, he won't see the field for a while. And that's ok for a 4th round pick lol...
     
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  24. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    You might want to try to form complete sentences before casting stones.
     
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  25. Clark Kent

    Clark Kent Fighter of the Nightman

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    Am I the only one who wants Reggie to get more carries? A guy like Reggie Bush is always one missed/broken tackle away from a big play. Give him 20+ carries and there's big play possibility always around the corner. And he's more of a passing threat than DT or LM. The Oakland Raiders game comes to mind (26 carries, 172 yards. 2 td). If Reggie is too "fragile" to carry the load, then he isn't worth investing into beyond this season. Period. The only time he should come off the field is for a spell. No more 1 drive in and one out bull****. I also think Reggie should stay in during goal line plays. That duel running/receiving threat is more valuable than DT's power (which I think is overrated).

    And who knows... Maybe the offensive line might develop better consistency with one type of runner in the backfield as oppose to diametrically opposite ones.
     
  26. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    In all fairness Clay scored on a 31 yard pass play after Miller's 8 yard scamper around the right side.
     
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  27. WhiteIbanez

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    I'm waiting to see it. Also you called me Whitey. :lol:
    I would love for you to show me where Pouncey said Miller dances less than Bush. Did he say that really?
     
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  28. Bpk

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    What's most impressive about Miller isn't his speed, it's his balance when he changes direction and ability to make small cuts at close to full speed.
     
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  29. Bpk

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    Was watching Jimmy Johnson's documentary last night. He was talking with Belichick this past offseason. Both agreed you draft smart players because neither had ever seen one show up dumb then become smart.

    Lamar Miller's brain came "As Is". And if this staff needs him to be anything other than what he currently is, I doubt he'll ever play much for us.
     
  30. Bpk

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    Egnew and Miller in a thinking contest.. Who wins? I say Egnew.

    I gave up on Miller's noodle when I saw him walking around naked in the lockeroom, oblivious to the cameras doing interviews ll around him. His bare *** was on MiamiDolphins dot com for awhile. Lol.

    Clueless.
     
  31. Den54

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    Frank Gore couldn't have been any brighter when he was drafted, but he turned out fine.
     
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  32. VanDolPhan

    VanDolPhan Club member Club Member

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    It just could be that this coaching staff is much stricter about the guys they put on the field. I don't find it surprising that it's the more raw guys coming from different systems or making position changes (Clay being all TE instead of FB) who are having issues.
     
  33. gandalfin

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    On the subject of RB 's has anyone heard any more about Jonas Gray? He came off PUP a couple of weeks ago and I've heard nothing since.
     
  34. FinNasty

    FinNasty Alabama don’t want this... Staff Member Club Member

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    Clueless? Or just didn't give a ****?

    If ya got it... flaunt it.... lol
     
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  35. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I agree, from camp.

    ".Lamar Miller...Here's the thing with this dude..He's not just fast, he's fast while he's processing where to go..His vision and speed are cohesive, he just doesn't slow down when he cuts and knives his way thru the holes and traffic, keeps a nice low center of gravity....after the play,I laughed and said to my iphone, that was cool"
     
  36. Pandarilla

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    Terms of endearment...:chuckle:
     
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  37. FanMarino

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    I think the main glaring point is about hitting the holes. Right now Thomas and Miller are on auto pilot and Bush is freelancing. Different type of players. All problems with Bush derive from his decision making as soon as hes handed the ball. When he gets to the 2nd level hes one of the best RB's in the league. Im suprised Phins dont use Bush more in the passing game. Hes a natural open field playmaker.
     
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  38. Ozzy

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    Miller's GPA coming out of high school right right at 2.8 and while he certainly will never be a doctor, he is far from stupid.

    He was quoted last week in the Miami Herald that he has to do a better job in pass protections and that is one of the most difficult things to learn in any playbook. If the lights turn on with him, he could be a hellava Running Back.
     
  39. Ozzy

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    I don't need to hear it from Pouncey! Miller is far more decisive when it comes to running between the tackles. Dude has good vision. Bush dances around for 20 minutes waiting to see a hole.
     
  40. WhiteIbanez

    WhiteIbanez Megamediocremaniacal

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    Benching Reggie Bush really helped us yesterday.
    Putting your best offensive weapon on the sideline was just about as stupid of a move as I've ever seen.
    Way to prove your point while the team gets slaughtered.
     

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