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We are not a good team

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Trowa, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    Beating up on the bottom of the league with wins over the Raiders, Jets, Rams and Bengals is proving now to be more smoke and mirrors than indication of a playoff caliber team. I still believe in Joe Philbin and I still believe in Ryan Tannehill but it's time to accept we're not a good team. This doesn't mean that we're a terrible team or that the sky is falling but it means we have some unmistakable issues that have and continue to plague this team. Reggie Bush isn't running well, Jake Long isn't blocking well, we still don't have a receiver that defense have to fear, Sean Smith is playing better than year's past but the secondary still isn't good enough, we have no pass rush presence outside of Cam Wake and we don't have any playmakers at LB. We can't make plays in key moments and we can't stop other teams from making plays in key moments. The difference between a good team and an average team in the NFL is a few plays a game and we more often than not are not making those plays. Whether it be a Reggie Bush fumble after a big run or a Karlos Dansby not making an interception or failing to capitalize on a Jake Locker mistake and allowing him to run 20 yards after falling down on the play action fake these are the plays that kill us. And those examples just come from the first half of today's game. The good teams make those plays and we consistently don't. Until a time when that changes we can suspend the playoff talk.

    There has been a culture of losing that has been cultivated in Miami since the 62-7 Jaguars game in 1999. The fans don't show up to games and the players don't play hard. People talk about learning to win, but it just seems the Dolphins can't forget how to lose. At least we have a bunch of high draft picks. This upcoming draft will go a long way in building the future of this team. Just wish we weren't saying that same thing year after year after year.
     
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  2. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    The players play hard.
     
  3. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I should have said the players don't play their hardest. They're obviously not playing their hardest right now.
     
  4. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    The Dolphins have only beaten one winning team outside the AFC East since 2006. (Packers 2010) That's not changing in 2012. And that is one pathetic stat.

    But we did help make the Saints & Falcons into annual Super Bowl contenders by giftwrapping them MVP caliber QBs! D'oh.
     
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  5. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    I don't know why everyone is so surprised. Even when we were winning, we kept seeing flashes of manure. In the overtime loses, the close wins, every game really, this team kept showing us that they were capable of being trash.

    There's really no surprise they are showing who they really are.
     
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  6. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    I've been the most optimistic defender in here this year, but I have now given up on the season. Our defense has lost it's heart. Our safeties are nowhere to be seen. s Smith has really regressed.

    ....and that blown call on the Harper fumble takes the icing on the F#%#n cake

    F-you Miami defense
     
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  7. rdhstlr23

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    The pass defense has been crap all year long. Why that's surprising is beyond me..

    I just don't want Tannehill to get hurt.
     
  8. JMORGAN6977

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    Which ones? A lot of missed blocks and arm tackles... Not only is there no time to throw but our 5's and 6's can't seem to get open against the 30th ranked passing defense. Forget about the running game. Across the board our team was not prepared to play this game.
     
  9. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    Why didn't we hear that they filmed an episode of The Walking Dead using Dolphins players? Props to AMC for putting it on in the daytime though, very bold move by them. I can't believe Michonne and Rick haven't been in this episode though.
     
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  10. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    There's a difference between playing poorly and not trying.
     
  11. Aquafin

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    Trowa : I know we havent seen eye to eye but this was one of your best post. Mainly because you are telling the truth.


    we were never this bad under Dave Wannstedt sure his picks suck but his coaching has been better then any of the coaches that follewed.


    I have never liked Jeff Ireland and seeing how quickly other teams have rebounded it should tell all of us that we are stuck in a big rut and it should be put on Irelands empty head .
     
  12. Sumlit

    Sumlit Well-Known Member

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    You want to know what's worst? Competing for the worst units of this team is the O-Line, O-line that has a lot of high round picks. That alone, should be enough evidence of the decrepit state of this team.
     
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  13. Sethdaddy8

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    The defense is over rated. The offense is impotent. Weak.
     
  14. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    Reggie bush made up for some deficiencies early on and has since crippled us on offense. Rookie qbs can't be put in the spots tannehill is put in.
     
  15. Destroyer

    Destroyer There for every play.

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    Team is terrible. Worst game I have seen in a long time.
     
  16. Ohio Fanatic

    Ohio Fanatic Twuaddle or bust Club Member

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    This was pathetic, now we have a short week before playing Buffalo. I predict another ugly loss on our way to a four game losing streak
     
  17. krypto

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    I'm definitely not a fan of Philbin benching Bush for fumbling the ball. He is our main threat and without him on the field, we are VERY one dimensional. Sometimes I get the feeling he doesn't have complete trust in his players.
     
  18. Da 'Fins

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    I am still amazed at how so many fans on here were talking so big about this team when we were 4-3 and had beaten below mediocre competition.

    I still think Philbin has some potential but the talent has to be there. And, Ireland has to go. At the very least we will have higher picks in each round.

    The reality is, 3 turnovers in the 1st half changed the game. Locker was 4-14 for 37 yards in the 1st half! But, the big lead gave their team confidence. Turnovers are just huge.

    What is disturbing is that Long and other guys who are supposed to be part of the foundation of the team are as bad as anyone. That is what is so deflating because if you have to rebuild at LT - when you also have major holes at WR, DB, need for a pass rusher as well ... it is too much to ask.

    Maybe we can get a quality up and coming personnel guy to take over at GM.
     
  19. jw3102

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    It looks to me that this team quit playing early in this game. Last year the Dolphins finished 5-3 over the last 8 games of the season. They are now 4-5 after 9 games this season. Is it the coaching or the overall lack of talent on the roster which keeps this team merely mediocre? I think it is the overall lack of talent throughout the roster and that I blame entirely on Ireland. He needs to go immediately. I can't remember when the Dolphins last beat a team which finished the season above 500.

    I predict this team will go no better than 6-10 this season. At least they will get another top ten draft pick. I just pray that Ireland isn't the GM making that selection for the Dolphins in the 2013 draft.
     
  20. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Yes, and how terrible Ireland has done in not only drafting and signing free agents for the OL, but also how inept he has been overall as the teams GM. Time for him to go.
     
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  21. Da 'Fins

    Da 'Fins Season Ticket Holder Staff Member Club Member

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    We have to go easy on Ireland, however, because we can blame his poor drafting and trades and free agency the past two years on the Bill Parcells hold-over-effect. So even the past two seasons it's really not his fault, it's Parcells.

    But, there are some real positives we can point to with Ireland's hand:

    * At least we got two worthless seasons out of Brandon Marshall in exchange for two 2nd round picks.

    * Then we were able to trade up and get Daniel Thomas ... and in giving up other picks to get into the 2nd round, we were also able to bypass Randall Cobb (who needs WR's?) and also get Thomas over DeMarco Murray (Whew! Good thing we missed him!).

    * And think of how much we got out of Edmond Gates when we might have had to put up with a kid like Jacquizz Rodgers as a 3rd down back?

    So, you have to give Credit where Credit is due ...
     
  22. oakelmpine

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    By the way Ireland TRADED for Bush. Just to remind everyone, that was AFTER Parcells had left the building.
     
  23. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    I think over the past two years, I have given Ireland all the credit in the world for being the one of the worst GM's in the NFL. It is just unbelievable that he still has defenders on this forum. I guess some people just like to see the Dolphins remain a mediocre team. I swear that I often think that these Ireland supporters are actually Jet fans, who would like nothing better than Ireland to remain the teams GM.
     
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  24. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    I will stick with what I said in the game-day thread.

    Ireland will still be here come draft day. I truly believe Ross will give him this one last chance.

    Don't get me wrong I want him gone, but I believe Ross will let him have one more chance to turn it around.
     
  25. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    I have no confidence in Ross to pull the plug on Ireland. He will be your GM come draft day.

    But I hope I am wrong.
     
  26. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    Bush played well over the latter part of the 2011 season. He didn't do much in the early part of the 2011 season. He started out well this year, but hasn't played at a high level consistently since the first game against the Jets, when he was injured. Based on his limited play in recent games, I have my doubts that he will be a member of the Dolphins beyond this season. I think the coaching staff will look to go with youth in the backfield starting next year.
     
  27. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

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    If Ross wants to show that he has absolutely no idea what he is doing as an NFL owner, all he has to do is keep Ireland as the teams GM. At least that way I know that he actually has no real interest in building a winning team in Miami. It would also show that he likes half empty stadiums and mediocre football teams. Of course he does live in New York. So maybe he is a Jets fan and only purchased the team to make sure the Dolphins wouldn't be a playoff contender while he is the owner. :up:
     
  28. pumpdogs

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    Yea I agree.My intial prediction before the season was 4-12.Whats ****ed up 2 weeks ago after the jets game I was thinking playoffs.Oh well back to reality as we are the same old dolphins.Season over once again in november.
     
  29. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

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    He will be gone, count on it. He is not going to be worth what he is going to want in a new contract. They have Miller & Thomas and they will go with that combo without Bush. He's just not going to be worth the trouble of negotiating with, we have other worries to deal with 1st.
     
  30. djphinfan

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    Really liked Rodgers and Lamike James from those drafts...same thing with Gronk and Dwayne Allen..

    I think we're gonna need a real good back, someone that can do it all in a traditional sense, with some speed..someone like Stephan Taylor would be nice.
     
  31. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I still don't, and probably never will, believe that Jeff Ireland is as bad as this forum has made him out to be over the years. But I agree, he's had his opportunity and I think it's time the organization pursues other options. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised nor overly upset to see him get one more year to work with Philbin and get him the players he wants. The issue with Ireland hasn't been him making terrible picks, it's been him taking too conservative an approach to the draft. He seems unwilling to roll the dice. He likes players with high floors and sometimes those guys have lower ceilings. When you make safe low-risk picks in the draft you end up with a bunch of solid yet unspectacular guys and that nets you an average football team. And that's what our team has been. We haven't been 2 or 4 win teams. We win 6 or 7 games and end up middle of the pack. At some point the organization has to gamble on bringing in some playmakers and I don't know if Ireland will ever be that guy.
     
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  32. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    There's certainly some merit to the idea that this isn't a playoff team.

    It's hard for that not to be buried by how ridiculous some of these posts are. You're crawling out from under a rock week 10 of the NFL season after being largely and rightfully silent, and expect to be taken even halfway seriously? Yeah, ok.
     
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  33. Trowa

    Trowa A world of pain

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    I honestly feel you just need to be contrary and argue against whatever the stance is of the thread you're posting in. Not only that, you constantly insult the people who don't agree with you. It makes it really difficult to take you seriously.
     
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  34. Disgustipate

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    Then you'd think it would be pretty easy to pick apart any number of arguments or points I've made.

    We can feel free to revisit any of that stuff if you'd like, but given the fact that you're now looking at decisions like Reshad Jones, Koa Misi, Chris Clemons, Nolan Carroll, Mike Pouncey, Kevin Burnett, Brian Hartline in a much more favorable light and have what looks like a promising rookie quarterback, it's probably not going to look particularly favorable for you.
     
  35. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    I don't think that anyone upset with the state of this team is in the wrong after the 2nd worst home loss in team history, and the worst in 43 years just occured.
     
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  36. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's ridiculous. An awful game does not mean you can literally say whatever you want that's negative without being able to support it and it suddenly becomes right.
     
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  37. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    You're right. Back to back historically bad weeks makes it right.
     
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  38. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You lost by 3 points to what appears to be a playoff team who has a supposed generational talent at quarterback coming on. It's not a historically bad week and that's a pretty dishonest way to frame it.
     
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  39. shouright

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    There are "rant" threads, and they get moved to the rants forum, and there are "rant" posts that do not.
     
  40. ckparrothead

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    Nicely stated. I'm still in Japan, sitting on the sidelines. Keep it up. :)
     

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