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How long is it going to take to turn this around?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mroz, Nov 11, 2012.

  1. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Who knows? Partially a sense of morbid curiosity, I guess. I didn't really notice it as much initially, but these people were genuinely excited about the idea of a loss they could sink their teeth into and claim. Most of these posts have nothing at all to do with the actual game, and appear more to be months of pressure(most likely intracranial in nature) saved up and ready to explode at whatever opportunity. It's really kind of interesting.
     
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  2. shouright

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    If the team isn't ready to contend for the Super Bowl, then somebody is doing something wrong, and that person must have the blame pinned on them so as to provide a target for people's frustrations. This game dashed a lot of hopes, so the venom is spewing heavy.
     
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  3. jw3102

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    In professional sports, the only method to evaluate players, coaches, and GM's is through wins and losses.

    I have felt for the last two years that the overall talent on this team is severely lacking. Ireland is the person responsible for selecting the talent and he has done a poor job overall. You blaming Carpenter for missing a FG, yet defending Ireland merely shows that you just don't accept the piss poor job Ireland has done as this teams GM over the past 5 years. Perhaps if Ireland had found a better FG kicker in the draft or free agency before the season, the Dolphins would have won the games you are referring to.

    I merely have to look at this teams record over the past three years and nine games to see that Ireland is inept in his position as the teams GM. You obviously like the Dolphins remaining a mediocre team and you have no desire to see them once again become a consistent playoff team. You are obviously a Jets fan who likes to pretend you care about the Dolphins. You can go on and finally admit it. We will forgive you.
     
  4. jw3102

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    I wish it was only months. The fact is that for me, it has been the last two years of watching Ireland continue to fail as this teams GM. I have been calling for his firing since 2010 and nothing he has done has changed my mind one bit.
     
  5. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, it's not, and it's terrible for everything but coaches. We've established that there are other huge factors in terms of judging a GM, and that those mitigating circumstances are clearly applied in this case.

    This is where human intelligence should theoretically be involved but doesn't appear to be.

    Has Dan Carpenter been a good kicker? Should Jeff Ireland have known to replace him before this season?

    You belong in the Finheaven zoo.
     
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  6. PhinishLine

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    This is sarcasm right? Why would Ireland get rid of Carpenter? He was one of the better kickers in the league prior to his early season gaffs. Jeff Ireland doesn't tell Sean Smith to give Reggie Wayne a 8 yard cushion on 3rd and 6 or tell Misi he needs to get his head around. You guys act like talented players don't need to be coached up properly, their talent will speak for itself. *cough* Vontae *cough* Jeff Ireland should have drafted a player who defies Xs and Os who only needs to be put on The field and fed gatorade and raw meats. Give it a freaking break already. Were 9 games into a complete shift on D and O. There will be highs and lows. Turn off auto-blame.

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  7. brandon27

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    I'm just quoting this post only because of the Super Bowl reference, but its more than that... so don't take the quote to heart. lol But, It's not just about being ready to contend for the Super Bowl, its about being in the same rut when it comes to talent on this roster for the last 5 years or so. Drafts haven't been great, free agency has been pretty disappointing, the secondary is STILL an issue, and has been for how long now? It's about the roster not improving, it's pretty easy to see. Who else do you lay blame on for that other than the GM?

    I understand, its a new staff, it's new schemes and we may have some square pegs, for round holes at this point. However, that being said... we had that even when we were running schemes, with coaches from our GM's "comfort zone" if you want to call it that. They types of players he's always gone after to fill a parcels moulded team.

    Im not saying Ireland is the worst GM of life, but clearly something isn't right here. There are still key positions on this team, that have not improved since his arrival, and we've had multiple coaching staffs in here to try and address the issues too, nothing changes. It's not about fans looking for a place to lay blame, and vent frustrations, or dashed hopes. It's about a realization that things aren't improving. If we go out and beat teams like NE, and SF, and Seattle, then you can say things are improving. So far, we've beat teams that really aren't that good. So, people can claim the record is an indication of improvement if they wish, but until we can compete with good teams, it's all for not.

    I think people have every right at this point to question this team yet again. The Indy game IMO showed we lack talent in several key areas, but we all knew that already. That game also showed me that we've probably been benefiting early in the season from an easy schedule, and better coaching to help mask our lack of talent at key positions. The Titans game IMO showed that we not only lack talent, but it really makes you question the coaching staff now as well. That team yesterday was unprepared and uninspired from the start, and again from the start of the second half. Nothing changed throughout the game. That's not good. One game doesn't make or break Philbin, and I get it, it happens sometimes, but it leaves alot to be concerned about.

    If we see another dismal effort in prime time against Buffalo, fans everywhere are going to be clamouring for heads to roll. It may, or may not be the right thing to do, but that empty stadium sure makes me feel like we're going to see some changes whether we like it or not. Those seats are only going to fill up if this team starts winning. So it comes down to whether Ross thinks Ireland is the right guy building the roster, and unfortunately for Philbin, if Ross thinks Ireland isn't the right guy, the Philbin may be a casualty also. That right there, is the argument for not releiving Ireland of his duties... but at what point does stay the course no longer become an option, especially when the course doesn't seem to be leading towards improving?

    Long way to go in this season before we can make any decisions though IMO. Hopefully the lapses in the secondary against Indy were a freak thing, and hopefully the effort against the Titans was too. I want nothing more than to believe that Philbin is the right guy, and Ireland is too. It's tough to see that though after efforts like Sunday.
     
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  8. mroz

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    anyone calling for Philbins head after less then one season is an idiot… <period>
     
  9. Stringer Bell

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    Not even robots subscribe to this theory. Simple machine-learning could achieve much more.
     
  10. jsizzle

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    This.
     
  11. jw3102

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    Yes it was sarcasm. I am just fed up with those who blame Carpenter for the two losses earlier in the year. The last I checked, there was more than one kicker who was responsible for those losses.
     
  12. jw3102

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    I wonder then, why the Lakers decided to fire their coach after just five games this season. Especially after he led them to the playoffs last year. If you don't think it was about one win and four losses, you obviously don't understand professional sports at all.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

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    Because Kobe Bryant said so?

    If the standards are so rudimentary, then it would be logically certain that obtaining an acceptable-level coach would be much more difficult.
     
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  14. shouright

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    Sure they do. You can see it here in the forum:

    "Team lose game. Must fire someone."
     
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  15. Rouk

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    We have the lowest amount of pass tds on the year that sums the season up honestly. We already knew our wr core sucked after the Marshall trade anyone who thought other wise was just fooling themselves. Ireland should be fired off that alone nfl is a pass league now and were the worst at it and a lot of this has to do with the talent pool at these given positions. Not even going to go in on our oline woes with the amount of draft picks and salary cap we have spent there.
     
  16. Stringer Bell

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    What does it sum up? Using TDs as any type of ability is pretty ridiculous. Do Daniel Thomas' 3 TDs represent anything?
     
  17. RoninFin4

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    That was under the old CBA, wasn't it? Do the same rules apply under the current one?
     
  18. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    two bad games.. he sucked *** in the Colts game as well.
     
  19. Stringer Bell

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    He had one bad play against the Colts. I thought he wasn't bad aside from that.
     
  20. brandon27

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    Allow me to clarify... Im not calling for Philbin's head. I think he has the makings of a damn fine head coach from what we've seen so far. What I was saying was, if you remove Ireland from his post this year, you almost likely have to remove Philbin too. It'll be hard to get the GM you want, if he doesn't have the choice for his own head coach. They usually come in packages. That's all I was saying.
     
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  21. Boik14

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    The NYG always do this every Nov under Coughlin. 13-21 in November under Coughlin. Nothing to see here folks.
     
  22. Kud_II

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    However long it takes to hire a competent GM. I don't think Jeff Ireland is that guy.

    Lets be honest a good GM is the backbone of every successful football franchise.

    Once you start drafting talent on a regular basis you start contending on a regular basis.

    If Ross was smart he'd wave some big bucks at one of the better GMs around the league.
     
  23. LBsFinest

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    I disagree, what Ross can do is target a front office executive that has a history with Philbin, like Green Bay's college scouting or player personnel director. It's what Ross should have done this past offseason to be honest. the Bears just hired Phil Emery this past offseason, he worked with Lovie Smith for years in Chicago, so that head coach/GM partnership runs smoothly.

    well regardless of who Ireland might be replaced by, Philbin will be the coach next year, in fact the only scenario I could see where he might not be here is if Ross sells the team, but that probably won't happen.

    what I will say is it might be hard to get the GM you want if you don't give him the authority to make a change at head coach after a year or two, which is what Chicago gave Emery when they hired him. if Stephen Ross makes it clear that he and he only will make the call on how long Philbin will be coaching the team, that could make the GM opening less appealing to potential candidates. because for the most part you only get one crack at being a general manger in this league, a lot of up and coming executives won't want to gamble their one shot at running a team by working with a head coach they have no familiarity with, especially if the owner won't even grant them the authority to make a change after a year to evaluate the coach's performance.

    If I were Stephen Ross, I'd try to replace Irish with John Dorsey, who runs the scouting department for the Packers. now his loyalty to Green Bay is very strong, he's been apart of the organization for virtually his entire football career, whether it was in his playing days or his time as an executive, and he's turned down interviews for GM openings before so it will be a challenge to pry him away, even with Philbin here.

    but if Dorsey didn't want the job, I'd put the full court press on Marc Ross of the Giants, and to sweeten the deal I'd give him the power to decide Philbin's fate after the 2013 season.
     
  24. jsizzle

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  25. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Is it sad for the AFC that if Miami beats Buffalo, they are the 7th seed? And now with Big Ben out...AFC is going to have a weak 6th seed. Clear that the Colts are the favorites for the 5th barring a collapse. However, beating the Dolphins and Jaguars isn't exactly big, we'll see how they fare with Houston.

    Dolphins, Bills & Chargers certainly aren't playoff worthy...but Steelers minus Ben and Polamalu are probably an 8-8/9-7 team. They almost lost to the CHIEFs at HOME, winning because of a missed FG.

    Well scratch that, Ben should be back next week.
     
  26. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    If a team makes the playoffs they are playoff worthy. In fact the Titans are now in the hunt for the playoffs.
     
  27. GMJohnson

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    Yep. At this point I'd almost rather miss the playoffs and pick 12th in the draft than sneak in, get slaughtered, and pick 21st.
     
  28. Dol-Fan Dupree

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    I would rather make the playoffs and win the superbowl.

    That is just me though. :shifty:
     
  29. PSG

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    Useless may be a tad strong, but the guy couldn't catch a cold in a kindergarten class.
    And he is allergic to making a big play.
     
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    Are we sure we have?
    Not trying to be a dick, but I'm seriously asking the question. Because I don't think either guy has unequivocally proved to be the answer yet.
     
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    Problem is, I think Sean Smith sees himself as elite and will want elite money.
    I'm not willing to pay him like a #1 CB, because I don't think he is one.
     
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    Yeah I think it's too early to make judgements on either guy. They've both looked really good at times and really bad at times.

    As far as Smith goes, I just don't think he'll ever be a #1 CB....not with those hands.
     
  33. mroz

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    as many potential INTS that hit him in the bread basket...
     
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    I am not a SS hater as some are in this group. I actually like the guy he just has not played well over the past two weeks… it happens… I am just starting to have a real hard time with his inability to finish a play. He has something like 5 dropped potential INTS over the past two weeks… that is pathetic.
     
  35. mroz

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    Not sure I want to hire a GM that cant see that Philbin is going to be a good NFL head coach
     
  36. mroz

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    What is so hard to understand about me posting that I think S Smith played poorly vs the Colts and Titans?
     
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    Sorry man, thought you were talking about Tannehill. I feel stupid!
     

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