Rodney Harrison blasts Philbin on handling of Reggie Bush post-fumble and other notes

Totally disagree. Was wrong to bench him for that long. End of.

 

I love how people think that the message Philbin was sending the other players was a good one.

Work harder than everyone, bust your ***, make a mistake and I'ma bench your ***.

Nice message.

He's been running at over 4 ypc the last few games. Yes the injury took him a while to shake. He just scored us a TD last week on a 19 yard run for crying out loud. Thomas has a wide open field but runs straight at a defender sometimes.

Did I mention Daniel Thomas has two fumbles lost the exact same amount as Bush, in less than half the carries? NO? I didn't mention that yet?

 

And Rodney Harrison is a Head Coach WHERE?

 

I kind of agree with Harrison. Coach Philbin was a little extreme, as IMO the punishment didn't fit the crime considering who the player is. It would've been more appropriate and prudent to winning to sit Reggie for the next series while pulling him aside and warning him the next time will be for most of the game.

 

My thought is that Rodney Harrison is a moron. I have ZERO problem with with Philbin did… and if the players dont want to be benched they need to play better OR GO ELSEWHERE.

 

Miller is much more of a home run threat then Bush… he is faster and has better vision. and while I will agree that Bush (on the surface) has been nothing but professional I would have to ask a. what is going on behind the scenes to cause Philbin to have such a short leash with Bush. b. Could it have been that falling behind by 21 points and Bush not being very good at pass protection that caused Bush to be on the bench a lil longer then he deserved?

Lastly, Bush was quoted yesterday as saying that he was bothered by the benching because he is in a contract year. Maybe Bush should hit the holes a lil harder if he is worried about his up coming contract.

 

really? you think the guys on defense are like… wow, Reggie is on the bench so I really need to keep giving up first downs on 3rd and long? cause that really makes things better… right?

 

When a coach puts "sending a message" above the team winning, it makes you wonder....

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^lol

 

I agree. The message I hear is "don't make mistakes or you'll be benched". That's a recipe for playing scared.

 

I disagree. Philbin is dealing with a bunch of losers and underachievers and needs to get the ship turned around ASAP.

The message is bigger than the game.

 

and he benches the hardest worker on the team. Makes perfect sense

 

I was fine with benching Reggie. Thomas has been running better than Reggie has for a few weeks now. That is with the eyeball test and not statistics. Thomas keeps the chains moving in a positive direction and hits the right hole hard. Sure he may not "break one" like Reggie will every so often but he deserves the carries.

I thought the idea was to try and light a fire in Reggie.

 

How do you know Reggie Bush works harder than everyone else? You seem to be taking a one game approach to a much bigger problem. The core of this team is weak and has been since CP10 fell in their lap. As far as I can tell, Cam Wake and Mike Pouncey are the only players on the roster that would start for most other teams. This is how you rebuild a team from the ground up. It isn't pretty.

 

Working hard is only part of the equation. Les Brown worked hard and was cut. Leaders are defined primarily by playing big in big games and getting their team somewhere. At that point they've earned a "voice," and from there their leadership ability, if they have it, can take over and will be accepted by and be effective with their teammates.

Bush hasn't gotten there. He has no special status on this team IMO.

 

If your admittedly not playing up to known potential, that probably means your head is not right, and when that starts costing you points for the other team, than the message needs to be sent..he's been playing poorly for a few weeks"

For what, why is Reggie bush playing poorly, he's healthy, he's in shape, yet performing below par...bench his *** and see if it works...what the hell.

 

Since when??? Seriously. How many carries has Miller had?

 

just my opinion... I think it will prove out in the long run... Bush IMO is not a guy that is going to be breaking off 30,40, 50 yards runs on a regular basis. I think Miller is going to be that guy when he gets the reps... if he ever figures out the pass protection... which is an issue for Miller...

 

The message I hear is "don't hurt the team," which IMO Reggie Bush has been doing in several ways for many weeks now. And the message "don't hurt the team" should be one sent by every coach, because it's one the other 52 guys, if they want to win, want the coach to send when a given player needs to hear it. The coach is the only one of them in position to stick up for those other 52 players in that way.

And if that message makes that one player play scared -- scared to make a mistake and hurt the team -- well then so be it. That player needs to figure out a new way to play that doesn't hurt the team, and I don't think it's a problem if fear ultimately motivates that, when all else has failed.

For all we know Joe Philbin has addressed several things, several times, with Reggie Bush in film review or elsewhere, and perhaps the message, given in that way, just hasn't gotten through.

 

Miller needs to stay upright and keep his balance. His speed is actually causing him to stumble.

 

I don't really think this is below par for him. I think this is about where his ceiling is. He's good for a good game here and there, and the rest of the time this is who he is IMO.

 

Is he?

 

Well if he isn't healthy, then he sure as hell shouldn't be reversing field and trying to pick up yards in way that's rarely successful in the NFL. If he isn't healthy, he shouldn't be attempting to play in a way that requires greater health and physical ability.

That would be even more of a knock on him, would it not?

 

That's actually pretty well established. There were reports early in the year about how long RB works out after everybody else leaves.

 

Since the bye, he has ran for 4.2, 4.1, and 5.3 ypc. Is that great? No. Is that playing terrible? No.

Is Bush elite? No. He's still our best playmaker, however. Bench him for a series? Fine. But bench him for as long as he did was nitpicky.

Look at what Richie Incognito did. How long was he benched for? And Richie doesn't score Touch downs.

It was a dumb move.

 

Lot of folks agreeing with you..

 

couple of thoughts...

1. pretty obvious of what Philbin thinks of Bushs backups vs Incognitos.
2. Without Incognito… or a good OL no one is scoring any touchdowns.

 

IMO Bush has not played terribly as measured by individual production, but he has too often put the team in difficult down and distance situations by taking losses on runs and not hitting the hole for whatever was there.

IMO he too often plays in a way that reflects a sort of "self-absorbed" style of running in which he impulsively decides to do things that aren't in the team's best interests.

I suspect that's been gnawing at Joe Philbin for some time now, I suspect he's communicated that to Bush several times, and I suspect Bush's leash for this sort of benching was already very short coming into that game.

 

When did Reggie have a carry where the team needed one yard to win the game and he went off dancing? The only thing remotely like that I remember was a pretty strong effort to jump over the defender to get the first down. And let's not pretend that just plowing forward will necessarily get you that one yard -- we have seen time and time again that it does not.

The team benefits by Reggie being Reggie, not by Reggie trying to play like Jerome Bettis. That is just dumb. And no, he doesn't take losses on almost all of those sort of plays. Sometimes he makes big plays on them. It does work for him -- in two seasons here with pretty mediocre (at best) OL play he has averaged 4.8 yards per carry. That works. The suggestion that 4.8 ypc "doesn't work" is inane.

And again, his style has nothing to do with self-absorption. It's what makes him good (and he is good). Trying to run like somebody else would be silly. Just as it would be stupid for Peyton Manning to try to start scrambling a lot because Michael Vick does it and some fan on a message board thinks it would help the team. A leader doesn't change his style and the ways that have made him successful because those might not work every single time. More often than not, Ray Allen misses his 3 pt attempts and, when he does, it often leads to long rebounds and fast breaks for the other team. But nobody in his right mind would suggest that he should stop taking 3 pt shots even though he could make a higher percentage of shots inside the arc. 3 pt shots have a higher risk but a higher reward. His taking 3 pt shots doesn't mean he isn't a leader. And Reggie Bush occasionally taking a loss instead of a 1 yard gain in an attempt to make soemthing more about it doesn't mean he isn't a leader.

 

IMO, you hit the nail on the head. I think he is productive but his numbers are deceiving.

 

Our alternative is Daniel Thomas who looks for the defender and runs right into him. He's done it several times this year. It's maddening.

 

Thanks to all the smart posters who agree with me that the benching was dumb.

The rest of yas can take a long walk on a short pier.

 

You and I disagree on how good Reggie Bush is. That's at the root of this.

His first three games this year were great. In the six games since then, he's rushed 76 times for 253 yards, or 3.3 yards per carry.

In each of the past three games he had over 4 yards per carry, but if you remove his longest runs in each of those games, over all three he rushed for 69 yards on 25 carries, or 2.76 yards per carry.

If you put those three games, in that modified fashion, together with the previous three, in the past six games he's rushed for 191 yards on 73 carries, or 2.6 yards per carry.

You may take issue with removing his longest runs from his last three games, and I'll counter with the idea that removing the longest runs from the games of the overwhelming majority of the good running backs in the league wouldn't leave them anywhere near 2.76 yards per carry.

What that means is that his overall body of recent work is terrible, and it's made to look good by one run here and there.

Now, if that one run were a 50+ yard breakaway for a touchdown a la Chris Johnson 2010, then fine, he'd be worth the rest of what he does, but those three runs I removed were all for under 20 yards. One 15 to 20 yard run per game is not worth a 2.76 average per carry on the rest. Not by any means.

So you see this successful guy who's earned this special status, and I do not. I see the Reggie Bush who in his first three years in the league rushed for 3.6, 3.7, and 3.8 yards per carry, and then became nothing but a pass-catcher in space for his former team.

He's been on his way back there for the past six games, and he got his wake-up call last week.

We should feel fortunate we have the kind of head coach who doesn't think anybody on a team playing at .500 or worse is "untouchable," especially not one who's been playing like this as of late.

 

I think you should take a short walk into whatever piranha infested jungle waters you're currently [strike]evading US authorities[/strike] camping in.

 

Whos that in your sig?

 

Hey, don't make me sandblast that dome......k!




I agree with benching him, he's had it happen in a few games where he's had periods of being on the sideline that have been extended rather than brief.