The leadership issue, IMO, stems from the fact that many of the players who meet the criteria for being leaders are also in expiring contracts and therefore may not experience the sense of ownership over the team's future that would help them lead their teammates from the perspective of long-term team goals.
Typically that makes said players play even harder. The real problem is guys just don't make plays, they choke constantly when they should shine. This is the one bright spot for this season, the coaching is there, they guys just aren't finishing plays, which imo mean you need different guys in those spots.
we don't know, this could be the main factor of our demise. It seems as though Karlos Dansby has failed as a leader..he's under contract, he's the highest paid player, and I'm not seeing the dynamics of leadership...I'm suprised, I thought he had some potential to be an excellent leader.
Fasano averaged 13.4, 10.9, 13.5 and 14.1 ypc with Penny, Henne and Moore throwing to him and only 7.7 with Tannehill. Fasano is only 28 so should be in his prime. You actually think it is Fasano that has lost it and not a rookie QB that doesn't know how to utilize the TE in the offense? Our defense makes Tannehill play poorly...huh.
I think that team came out against the titans, felt Sun life's energy at its best, measured it up against the titans intensity, and couldn't match..and, I don't blame them..
Karlos Dansby has been playing with a brace for his torn biceps for 3 or 4 games. If that doesn't spell leader, I don't know what does.
It may make them play harder, but it doesn't make them inspire their teammates for the purpose of turning the franchise around IMO.
Because although they may meet the criteria for leadership in general, they may not feel the kind of sense of ownership over the team to care enough about what direction it heads the rest of the year or in the future, and consequently may not be trying to inspire their teammates with goals of those kind in mind.
Championship caliber mindset is precious and hard to achieve..no way could our situation help us find that special chemistry.
I didn't think of that... I was really watching for enthusiasm against the titans and bills, and how they would come out at home after getting embarrassed by the colts...in the Titan game, it was pathetic, even when the game wasn't quite out of reach...something turned this teams emotional commitment.
You are very good at skirting the questions you pose. You haven't even tried to refute jdang307's rebuttal at post 16. Let me try mine again. Why hasn't Jeff Ireland resigned these alleged team leaders if it's really that important to team success?
This is not really germane to the point IMO, which is why I bypassed it originally, but I'll address it here for smataz's sake. I for one am not a person who thinks Matt Ryan would've failed in Miami. I think he would've done well here, though perhaps not as a rookie, despite that the weapons he would've had here wouldn't have been as good. But, again, that's beside the point.
I don't think any of us knows, but perhaps it's because they're using this first year of Joe Philbin's tenure not so much to achieve success as to see who they want on the roster long-term, which may be a season-long evaluation process. They may be willing to forego success this year, since success is unlikely with a rookie QB anyway, in order to determine to whom to give long-term contracts in the offseason. After all, there is only so much room under the salary cap, and once you decide who your long-term nucleus is going to be comprised of and you ink them to long-term contracts, it's not easy to change your mind without strapping yourself cap-wise in the future. Also, I thought I addressed your question here (above), but I guess I misunderstood what you meant by "flapping in the breeze": I don't skirt anything here. If I'm wrong, I'll tell you I'm wrong.
I have a genuine problem with the original post in this thread. To break down an entire perceived group of people into such basic, irrational, elementary level emotional urges is just highly disrespectful. In the end it's a bratty, immature way of trying to elevate yourself above the people who disagree with you. You clothe yourself in textbook language from a psych 101 class and for some reason that means you've automatically cut to the heart of an entire swath of peoples' motivations (none of whom you've met). Oh and quite conveniently you've "discovered" that those motivations involve a total absence of higher order rationale or logic. Hurray, I'm right and you all are wrong! I'm smart and you all barely stand upright! It's just straight up bull ****. That's all it is. A child can pick up a gun and put on a uniform and look like a soldier, maybe even kill like a soldier, but he's still a child, not a soldier. Having an arsenal of psychological terms and jargon at your disposal doesn't mean you're using them correctly, that's for sure. Bottom line is, I don't respect people that consistently show disrespect toward everyone around them.
Oh I know CK. You're the only one who's allowed to be an authority here, right? You and your buddy Boomer, whom you commonly answer for? Nobody else is allowed to demonstrate any expertise, right? This is all "The CK Show" is it not? The truth of the matter is that you're threatened by anyone who appears to be an authority on something, because it stands to knock you off the pedestal you've put yourself on as the solitary all-knowing expert on all matters Miami Dolphins etcetera. There can be only one "God" here, and it's you, correct? Go talk to your Twitter "following." It sounds like you need a self-esteem pick-me-up. I'm sure you enjoy being regarded as their all-knowing "guru." In the meantime, leave me alone. If you have a problem with me, put me on ignore or take it up with the moderators whose job it is to do what you're doing. Or are you above them, too, and uniquely permitted to lash out at will at individual people like this because of the special status you've bestowed upon yourself? Indeed, you're above the terms of service simply because you're you, right? And don't look now, but the best, most reasonable, and most level-headed and responsible moderator we've ever had here thanked the original post. So move on with yourself and your personal problem. Don't come back swinging at me or I'll have to level your *** once again.
no irony from me I thought we drafted tannehill way to high I was more than fine playing the season out with Moore and trying to take the rank 1 guy of a position in the draft instead we wasted a top 8 pick on the 3rd qb taken. I could care less about Tannehill being tied to Ireland atm that's just blind Ireland defenders talk.
You got to give Ireland the credit for that pick, just like you can blame him for picking Egnew over a WR. Problem for Jeff is negative out weight the positive. Guy has been trying to build an OL for 4 years, and can only hit on no brainer first round picks.
Agree with all. But got to give him credit for Jones, Solai, and Starks. Defense is pretty good, just glaring hole at CB that we are can't cover up anymore. I mean take away penalties in Buffalo game and we might have won. (albeit a terrible lucky win). Ireland is just misses more than he hits, and when he does hit, it is not a HR...bottomline, and he cannot find skill players, nor does he emphasize it. He likes the trenches, which as you noted, he is on his third line (seems like 4th though)...so he is not even good at what he focuses on.
I think you are digging there, a leader is a leader. Not sure on your leadership theory so subjective. I don't think it is a problem as much as the talent. If we were oozing with talent, but playing under expectations, then perhaps leadership is the root of the problem. Right now it is talent. Don't even think it is coaching anymore either...
Say jeff again! SAY, jeff, AGAIN!!! To the OP, your boy is gone at season's end. Again, unless ross turns out to be the first billionaire who doesn't care about losing money & being embarrassed publicly, his hand will be forced (by the fans AND Philbin)
Ireland is a decent talent evaluator. It doesn't take a genius to sign free-agents. However all of our 2012 free agents are busts or gone. Ireland needs to go. 5 years of rebuilding an offensive line, and needing safety and cornerbacks and they DID NOT ADDRESS it in the offseason. Instead he tried to get bargain basement players and diamonds in the rough. Sorry I dislike the man as a GM. Yes he picked Tannehill but had Sherman nor Philbin been here and drove that decision he would not have grabbed him at #8 book it...
fasano's numbers are down because he sucks. plain and simple. has stone hands. drops the easy stuff to extend drives on third down. he's a blocking tight end. and as the league wide trend has gone, blocking tight ends are like big, slow linemen: dinosaurs. athletic, pass catching TE's are what teams use now. well, except miami. keep bringing back slow, no handed blocking TE"s. you immediately take a weapon away from your QB.
No doubt you need leadership...just think lack of talent is masking any leadership we may have. Those faults may be exposed down the road when we fill a few holes, and frankly I think the holes are less than others think.
What I find tough to accept, is that this franchise or fandom could be so unlucky, that it would stumble at every turn, trip on every curb, and step in every pothole. I can't equate Irelands firing as meaning anything less. Fact is, a curse already seemed all but certifiable, prior to Parcells arrival, which at the time, suggested we obtained at the very least, someone who would bring common sense decision-making, back to Miami. To be fair I think it could be argued, that although Parcells hand picked all his appointee's, he "settled" for nearly all, except one. That one selection being Ireland. His firing today, would complete the coup de grâce of Parcells entire cabinet. It would determine that every move Parcells made, every football mind he chose, was ultimately wrong, and that his time here, was not only yet another outright franchise failure, but that the entirety of his efforts to simply provide a foundation, left us directionless, and bereft of salvagable assets. What is the proposed alternative? An outright roll the dice? Do we feel lucky? Or, is Ireland simply paddling furiously alone, against a continuing current of bad luck, or cursed demise, while this fandom does little but chuck rocks from a failing levee?
If this season continues to go the way it's going, this will be the 4th losing season in a row. The coach has been replaced, the QB has been replaced, and numerous other players have been replaced. The team still stinks. So at what point is it fair to start blaming the guy in charge of it all? You know, the G.M. At what point are we not just "scapegoating" anymore?
Instead of completely ignoring the post and going completely off topic and lashing out, you should really take a close look at what he said. It is disrespectful to paint any dissenting opinion as irrational scapegoating.
Shou... I find this comment/belief of yours relatively annoying: It implies that people that are not satisfied and find fault with the "surrounding cast" are lying to themselves in order to maintain some sort of delusional/fabricated hope for the future. I personally am very hopeful and excited about Tannehill's future. As a raw rookie, he's done some incredible things. He's also done some pretty boneheaded things that are pretty typical for a rookie QB (see Luck's 2 pick 6's yesterday). But yet in this thread and others, it seems as if you are implying that those that are excited/hopeful about the kid are lying to themselves and making excuses out of hope rather than analyzing his talent/ability to come to that conclusion. And I couldn't disagree more with that... and find this continued implication to be rather offensive and condesending.
This. And the previous post. [you are rippin' on this thread, btw]. Tannehill was the #8 pick so of course there's hope for him. And, it's not as though Ireland did anything special with that pick. He was the best QB on the board and he was sitting there at 8. So there's potential (even if that may have been a reach). No one is saying RT is clearly a franchise QB. We just hope he is. But the reality is that Ireland is a below mediocre accumulator of talent. Period. He's had several years and there are still a stunning number of major holes on this team. Further, the drafting of the players has no identity to it. Look at teams like the Ravens or Steelers or GB or Giants - they are not perfect but consistently accumulate players who fit the ID of their team and plug them in. How many LB's or D-linemen have filtered through the Ravens or Steelers the last 10-15 years (20 for the Steelers) and their D's look nearly identical to the past. Who wants to block one of those guys on the Ravens? They are all a bunch of beasts (even with Ray Lewis out). There has been an endless line of pro-bowl, big play OLBs on the Steelers the past 20 seasons. From Greg Lloyd to Joey Porter to James Harrison to Lamarr Woodley. Miami has no identity and Ireland is NOT the man for Philbin's system. Classic case (as I noted in a different thread): T.Y. Hilton (3rd round pick, 30 catches, 4 TDs; drafted after Michael Egnew) and LaVon Brazill (6th round; drafted after B.J. Cunningham) both making big plays in the passing game for Luck. 2011 Ireland trades away picks in order to move up into round 2 and draft Daniel Thomas (a soft RB) and take him just ahead of Randall Cobb (could RT or any Dolphin QB have used him the past two seasons?); and ahead of DeMarco Murray. Even Stephen Ridley (Rd 3 also) has been a better RB than Thomas. There are just too many mistakes and too many positions of great weakness (either through neglect or through simply poor drafting) and then too many good players passed over for bad. IRELAND MUST GO DOWN. The problem for Ross is he doesn't have good NFL organizational leadership between he and Ireland. So, he doesn't really have a means of evaluating and selecting a new GM. It is a bummer to be a Dolphins fan right now (as it has been, basically, since the late 90's).
It is irrational scapegoating, in my opinion, when it consists of nothing more than the belief that Jeff Ireland is at fault for compiling a supporting cast for Ryan Tannehill that is making him play the way he is, with no objective evidence presented in support of that belief. If you want to change my personal opinion that you're resorting to irrational scapegoating, then do an objective study on the matter and present it. If not, that's fine too, but don't expect my opinion to change.
And you don't think the things I bolded are entirely possible? What, are the people here somehow above the pitfalls that are very common to human thinking? My intention is certainly not to be condescending, however, and for that I apologize.
Most of the people you're addressing simply believe Jeff Ireland is not a capable GM. I see very few folks directly blaming Jeff Ireland for Ryan Tannehill's play. How about you answer the question I posed earlier in this thread. How many losing seasons will it take for Ireland dissenters to no longer be "irrationally scapegoating"? I'd really like to know.
This echoes exactly what I was talking about. Shouright can try and deflect by being outright hostile and insulting to me as if I'm only pointing this stuff out because I feel 'threatened' in some way, which is the furthest thing from the truth...but it's a simple fact of the matter that this general attitude continually on display in his psychoanalysis of all who disagree with him...is highly insulting. It's disrespectful. As you say, it's offensive and condescending. I'm not saying we all haven't been guilty of it every now and then. It's human nature that when you're confronted with emphatic opinions that run contrary to your own, internally you have to sort of figure out the 'why' as far as why their opinion isn't right and yours is. An easy way to internally reconcile that difference is by doing what shouright continually does and just assuming that the person who thinks differently from you is not thinking about it properly and is too emotional, overly-simplistic, at the whimsy of their most basic and irrational urges, etc. That way even when they provide reasons and logic to argue their side, you can dismiss it as just rationalizing an emotionally-driven conclusion. But what disappoints me is that shouright of all people should know better. Of all people, he's the best equipped of any of us to know exactly what portions of his own ego he's feeding when he engages in this wide-sweeping 'analysis' of people he's never met, all based on which way they poll on a certain issue. He should know better, and that disappoints me.
First of all, IMO it's irrational to say Jeff Ireland is an incapable GM when there has been no systematic, objective analysis of his work, and all people are relying on is the team's won-loss record and/or their own personal dissatisfaction with it. Second, when Jeff Ireland's performance in assembling talent around a rookie QB is purported to be the reason the rookie QB is playing like he is (like a typical rookie), again with no objective analysis, then we've reached a whole new level of irrationality IMO, and it's compounded by the appearance that the same people appear to be sold on Ryan Tannehill enough to believe he'd be playing much better with a supporting cast, despite the fact that Jeff Ireland drafted Ryan Tannehill as well! It's as if Jeff Ireland is burned at the stake for not assembling the talent to help a rookie QB play unlike a rookie, but that rookie QB is viewed to be so good as to need only that additional talent to play so well, while disregarding the fact that Jeff Ireland drafted the guy! Come on. Let's take a look at what we're doing here.
Since the 1-15 disaster when Ireland took over, we are 31-33 (not counting this season because it's incomplete). That's not bad but it's certainly not good. I don't hate Ireland like a lot of others do but I wouldn't say I'm very happy with him either. I don't think Ireland will be fired this year. I think he'll have a chance this offseason to make the necessary moves to push us in the right direction. I think we definitely have some nice pieces to build around, but he better get a few guys who can make plays in the secondary and in the pass game or he won't make it to 2014.
CK, you're disregarding the inherent inconsistency in blaming Jeff Ireland for not assembling the talent that would enable a rookie QB to play unlike a rookie, while giving no credit to Jeff Ireland for drafting that QB who implicitly is thought to have the ability to play so unlike a rookie. That, in my opinion, is what reveals the bias, irrationality, and the scapegoating at hand here. And it's fine if you and others disagree. This is only my opinion.
