The Talent Surrounding Ryan Tannehill

I also illustrated in another thread about Bill Polian that his win record without Peyton Manning was 55%. With Peyton it was 77%. For an average of 66%. 55% is 8-8, it further strengthens the argument that having a Franchise QB can make or break a GM and a Team. I think the original chart tells a lot. Nice job!!

 

Excellent point. More proof that the "Franchise" QB is a must have. The QB makes everyone around him better, not the opposite. He is the leader, the captain of the ship. How many teams do we see week after week who live and die by the QB play. Dallas, Greenbay, Chicago, Denver,NJG,NYJ, etc

 

The plays are also limited. Even though Tannehill ran this same offense in college it is different in the NFL. Defenses are way more complicated and there are hundreds of check offs and check downs, that he has not learned yet. Tannehill will learn by playing and it may take a couple years to get him where he needs to be. But we are ahead of the curve, lets hope he likes to study because we are going to live and die by this guys play!!

My understanding is this is what everyone was screaming for. We have to be patient. It's hard though because no one likes to watch their team loose. The good news is we have seen glimpses of potential. Now that Ireland has total control, it is going to take 1 or 2 yrs to acquire the other pieces.

Unfortunately it will be a hard road with some surprises along the way. We have already seen Davis and Marshall traded. I believe we will also see Long traded and Misi and Dansby replaced.

 

I understand your point, but you obviously haven't read Saban 's novel he calls a Defensive playbook that he still uses. I kid you not when I say it is 300 pages, and covers every single possibility.

EDIT: I'd say that NFL D isn't any more complicated, but they do a better job of trying to disguise what they are doing.

 

Today was a perfect example of what I believe has been the biggest problem with this offense.

We saw what the passing offense is capable of when we can successful run the ball. With that said, Tannehill still made too many WTF decisions. But at least we were pushing the ball downfield in chunk yards.

IMO a rookie QB needs a reliable running game to succeed. We saw a resemblance of that today.

Tannehill looked to move up in the pocket better than usual today. Good to see he's learning. Still too many mistakes but certainly progress

 

LOL at Starks.....and he's right to an extent, today Tannehill grew some and dropped them.

 

Today solidified my opinion that - in future years - will will reap the benefit of Tannehill starting and growing this year. Get the growing pains out of the way now, and benefit sooner. Can't wait.

 

" he dropped his balls".. Lol, never heard that term..

I know he got dirty, forget trying to make the perfect pass and do whatever's possible to get the first down.

 

Just as long as he doesn't start spraying the furniture! The opposing teams... Spray them all!

 

Here's what I noticed the past 4 games

2nd half of Indy
Entire Tennessee
Entire Buffalo
1st Quarter of Seattle

In the games or portions of the games I mentioned, our running game was non-existent. Like 1.0 ypc non-existent. Getting dropped for losses on 1st and 10 runs. Dropped for losses on Key 3rd and 1's. And in that time Ryan Tannehill has played his worst football of the season.

Starting in the 2nd Quarter, our running game started showing signs of life and even playing very good. And that's when the passing game took off and started getting chunk yardage plays. I don't think that's a coincidence.

Shou, don't get me wrong here. Tannehill was not good in either Tennessee or Buffalo, and he wasn't particularly good in the 4th quarter against Indy. Even today he had some decisions that a high school senior wouldn't make. And I agree, he has certainly been part of the problem.

BUT....when you have a rookie QB and your running game falls off a cliff like it did somewhere in the middle of the Indy game, then you can't expect him to overcome that. He's a rookie and too young, inexperienced, and just not good enough yet to overcome that major deficiency.

 

I'm more concerned about the poor decision making. Tannehill is starting to remind me of a young Jay Cutler. He made another huge mistake today that would have cost us the game except for the penalty for the hit to the head which I thought was a very questionable call. That would have taken 7 off the board and we would have most likely lost. It was a bad throw before the hit to the head.

 

I'm also concerned about the decision making.

The INT in the beginning and the INT called back were just horrendously awful decisions. But they're certainly coachable. And Ryan Tannehill seems worlds more coachable than Jay Cutler. So, I choose to be optimistic in that respect

 

as long as they don't count I won't complain, just noting it. For the record I don't care for Cutler, he was raw in the beginning and reminded me of a spoiled brat. He seems to have turned the corner and is playing much better, the one thing about Cutler that I always admired is he has a cannon for a arm. Not saying Tanne is a spoiled brat, was referring to the tangible parts; arm strength, intelligence, etc.

 

The int that was called back was a WTF int, but I have seen Brady make WTF ints. Tannehill tried to force a ball that he shouldnt have. He can learn from that and luckily it was negated. What I took from this game is that Ryan percervered and played very well when he was needed the most. He got the 4th quarter win we have been waiting for, when the game was on the line, Tannehill played big. st6epping up in the pocket, running, avoiding pressure.

I still say many have to stop looking around at other rookies and young qbs and comparing Tannehill, Luck has a veteran wr and other wrs that can stretch the field and he is a stud, RGIII is the real deal, I liked him from the get last year and really thought he would be good. Wilson is also a guy I said would be a good qb, read my posts pre-draft I said numerous times had Wilson been 6'3" he would be top 5, kid is smart and athletic with a big arm. All that said RT has it. He hyas alot to learn, but this offense as whole needs talent and growth. I like that RT makes no excuses, kept his poise, and doesnt quit. He had a tough stretch yet he didnt lose confidence.

Where he goes from here, we will see, but it was a good step forward.

 

Andrew Luck has made more interceptable passes than Tannehill I assure you. He's just been fortunate to have the majority of them dropped. (Smith n Dansby) on the other hand Luck has also made some really good throws.

I'm not worried about Tannys future, at all.

 

I thanked a Fin-O post...

Suck it, Fate!

 

Speaking specifically about the Indy, Tenn, Buffalo, and Seattle games, I'd like to get these numbers by quarter if possible.

I'll bet the YPC in the 4th quarter of Indy, and first quarter of Seattle is somewhere around 1.5 - 2.0. That would mean the numbers for the games(quarters) I originally mentioned would be a little more accurate and supportive of my argument. Meaning, the only anomaly would be the Tenn game and the 4.9 YPC.

 

I have the solution. Tannehill throws TDs to all the skill players so they become really highly respected players with great stats. Then everyone will agree we have talented players, and Tannehill will be surrounded by talent.

 

For me, I see it as Tannehill;s limitations holding Hartline/Bess/Fasano back tbh.

Bush as well.

 

That's how I see it as well, except for Bush. I would add clay in there.

 

That's how I see it as well, except for Bush. I would add clay in there.

 

Flip that over. Do those players average non playmaking ability hinder Tanny? Just throwing it out.

 

Tannehill is literally on the verge of tying a record for the fewest TD passes by a starting Qb.

You tell me.

 

Can't argue with that. Can't run, stops drives. Wrs have no speed or separation, can't make plays (I know we've all heard it 1000 times) I think Tanny is hindered by his supporting cast. I will also say RT hasn't made plays himself. It's frustrating because he's our apparent future QB. His stats are seriously lame. But I think the general consensus is its not all on him but we want to see that 'spark'. I just think we are flat on Offense and its a virus.

 

You breed stats too much for me shou. U need to get out more and take your head out of your laptop. I let my eyes tell me more that numbers. I've been saying RTs TD 'stat' is lame since week 4. I've been proved right. You want objective. I say what I think whether its objective to you or not. I just think being objective isn't always proven. I can be a negative vibe merchant when I think its warranted. Doesn't mean I'm right. Tip.

 

Bush was wildly productive with Matt Moore, Fasano has always been more productive than his current 233 yards, Bess usually produce about 3 Td's per season on avg prior to this one.

Hartline is the only offensive player who is doing slightly better than his career avg in terms of Yds but not YPC

Fasano's yds have dropped by 50%, his Td production is on par but otherwise.

I'm not a stats guy, think they lie a bit, however when the entire unit's productivity is down, and they have done better in their careers recently it is a good bet it is the Qb Fan Marino

 

Bush started out on fire. Jets game. Injury. Wheels fell off. Bess. I rate him. Highly. He's one of the best slot WRs in the NFL imo. Problem is...he's our No2. Fasano isn't what we need. He's on downslide and has always been average at best. He's used too much in blocking but how long has that excuse been doing the rounds? Too long. If its true then that means our O Line needs TE help in protection. Egnew? I'm not even going to even get positive about a player I deem not even on the team next season. I need to actually see him suited up and play a down before I have an opinion.