Pathetic effort by the offense

comes down to when your QB and your best receiver have bad games - NOT GONNA WIN - end of story - especially this team

 

So you're telling me a rookie QB is inconsistent?

 

I didn't think Tannehill played poorly. Yes he missed a couple throws but the lack of skill players added on to his issues greatly.

Almost any WR in the league catches that overthrown pass to lead-legs Hartline because they can actually....you know....run under a ball because they don't run like they are on a treadmill. Then on the second pass it looked like Ryan didn't trust Hartline to run under the ball if he let it rip and under threw the ball by a lot. Hartline still should have caught the ball though as it hit him in the bread basket.

The game started with a dropped pass. On another Bess read the coverage wrong and broke in instead of out. On a couple more passes Ryan was under a lot of pressure. Hartline dropped a sideline pass he could have caught when Tannehill broke the pocket.

Its really amazing what incompetence around a QB can do and especially to a rookie.

 

Those are all just excuses, really. It was Tannehill, not the players around him. No big deal. He's a rookie and it happens.

 

That is not true. If he was so lead-legs, why was he 5 yards wide open?

Tannehill played a poor game. Bess didn't help him at all. He was inaccurate most of the game and just didn't play well.

it is interesting to me how people enjoy making excuses for quarterbacks who don't play well.

 

Agreed. I believe in Tannehill, however sometimes good players have bad games.

 

Uhhh watch again. He didn't out run the corner at all. The corner didn't respect him and got caught flat footed sitting on a short route and looking into the backfield. Also he thought he had safety help and didnt.

You can call it excuses but I'm sorry I only deal in truth. I don'ty jump on these idiotic crap tossing bandwagons of fans trying to point out issues when they don't know their head from their butt. I actually watch and come to my own conclusions.


You are making excuses for Hartline and our terrible offensive talent I'd say.

 

a lead legged wide reciever couldn't run passed a corner who doesn't respect him.

I only deal with the truth.

Yea, it is Hartline's fault for being so wide open, multiple times and for Tannehill not getting him the ball. That is perfect facts, and NOT idiotic crap.

 

Hartline was open whether the corner respected him or not. Tannehill missed him, with no safety over top to worry about. That's what happened. No excuses for Hartline or blame on Tannehill.

 

my point is this, you are negative, as you said in another thread or post (cant remember where the post is) you waited 12 games to post something negative. Implies to me that you didnt like Tannehill from teh get and it is easy for you to blame him. My point was and is (the cut RT post was sarcasm by the way) RT missed a couple passes and yes they were passes that you want him to make, but ultimately were 2 to 3 passes. 2 to 3 plays that hurt yes. But drive killing drops and bad decisions by receivers hurt as well. As did the muffed handle punt that cost us a td, take that away we are tied at 16. I mean if we are going to say RT hits those 2 passes it's 14 points and we win as if everything else remains the same, then why cant we say had fields handled the snap NE doesnt get the ball inside our 20 and our defense would hold so that would make us tied?

To put it another way, the team isnt good enough yet and RT is not developed enough to carry the whole team, he cant make up for what we are lacking elsewhere.

Another way, critical of Tannehill is one thing. But I dont see anything that is objective. I see everyone mad and critical because Tannehill wasnt perfect and it is easy to say we didnt score enough and that is because of tannehill. And while part of that is true, it isnt the whole truth nor the whole story.

So you call it what you want I call it panic and desperation

 

And again I will state for teh 1000th time Tannehill didnt cost us the game, teh truth is he didnt win it. The team as a whole lost it, the qb didnt overcome the shortcomings of the team. To be elite, he will have to show he can. I dnt know if he will, I think he has that potential but he is inexperienced.

but missing passes Brady has, Manning has all qbs do all the time.

 

The 3 & out from the Pats' 49 when 7 down was the key point in the game to me.

 

Huge fan of RT. Want him to be "it." But he had a clunker. Accuracy was off all day. It happened and it will probably happen again. Plain and simple. He ran the ball well, which was nice to see. But his arm was off. I just wish Philbin took some chances today. Punting on 4th and 1 from around midfield made my head explode. At times I thought he was very Wanny and Sparano today. Didn't like that. This team ISN'T going to the playoffs. Take some chances. Let Miller get some carries and see what you have. In the end the defense couldn't hold NE on that last drive, the special teams screwed them, the coaching staff were too conservative at times and RT had a bad day. Win as a team, lose as a team.

 

The offense is what it is this year. No reason to become re-disappointed every week we don't light up the scoreboard. It should be a nice bonus when it has a good week rather than a shock every time it underwhelms. This was about Philbin's season to install his offense and Tanny's chance to gain valuable experience. Next year begins the money round.

 

I suppose that makes you totally right.

Thank God that's been scientifically proven now. We can all go about our business.

You know, this board would be better off if all of us would be a little LESS certain of what we think we know. That includes me.

Because the truth is, we only think we know. The rest is up for discussion.

 

What number system do you use that has no numbers at all between 66 and 158????

The former being the QB performance Ryan gave us today, and the latter being a "perfect" one.

Could 78 have been possible? or 88. I believe that for most of the world that still exists between 66 and 158. Or how about 74. Or 91. Heck this is fun, you try it! Because Ryan had LOTS of possible things he could have done between bad and perfect.

Would love to see the tax system you'd create. A zero % bracket and a 100% bracket.

WTF.

p.s. - you are the only one who keeps bringing up cutting a guy for being imperfect.

 

FOr example, Rashard Matthews, who when he actually gets a chance seems to sparkle.

 

Not sure I follow, since Sherman calls the plays now.

 

Like your sig.

I added my first to the ignore list today.

It may actually become a dubious honor to make Slick's Ignore List.

I know you won't reply since you have me on ignore. lol.

 

Get used to it lol Both are sad necessities around here.

Well now that I know you're white..

 

There is a difference between fear of failure (or embarrassment, or letting a team down) and of being physically hit.

Come on, are all our discussions really coming down to these kind of things? Explaining **** to people that adults know and understand when they aren;t just being argumentative and contrary?

 

LOL. Hell, even I don;t know that I'm white.

 

Have you ever seen yourself dance?

 

There's a reason fans, media and coaches spend way more time focusing on the performance of the starting QB than on their punter, for example. It's because the QB position impacts winning and losing more than any other position.

It's also why the best ones are paid much more than the best, say linebackers, or right guards etc.

So when our QB performs poorly, it isn't just a factor... it's a major factor.

Yes, those other things matter. But if the Pats punter muffed a snap, but then punted great. And Brady had a bad game and missed multiple deep throws so they lost then who would we focus on? Brady. Because the other truth is, Brandon Fields week-to-week is not worrying anyone with his consistency. Tannehill, on the other hand, has been good-bad-good-bad all season. At the most important position in football... as defined by what all football people say. And by how they choose to value it in contract dollars.

And by the way, naybe the defense would have been able to hold the Pats in the fourth quarter if Tannehill and Sherm hadn;t had multiple 3-and-outs today while the Pats were holding the ball for long periods and wearing our guys out.

You want to see intensity from our defense, well you don;t get intense effort for four quarters if they don;t actually get to rest some. You get a gassed defense... ESPECIALLY the bigger guys up front who aren;t built for endurance. Soliai. Starks. Those guys who couldn;t be run on for 3 quaterers didn;t magically lose their talent in the 4th quarter. They lost stamina because our offense, led by Ryan Tannehill, couldn;t stay on the field long enough for our defense to even reach the bench and sit down.

 

I don't dance in front of mirrors, thankfully. But I know I am a great dancer.

 

And in 2001, a young and coming qb nnamed brady wasntt allowed to audible very rarely threw over 15 yards andd his leash was. An inch

Tannehill surely needs improvement. But hee is a rook, coming ouut we knew he needed to dev & that Luck,RGIII and wilson were more nfl ready. But it was also felt he has a very high upside in luck and RGIII's neighborhood.

Its 12 games into his rookie year and hhis teeam as a whole issnt as good as Indi, or Wash. So I will w/h judgement and temper expectations of perfection.

And as far as Brady being bbllamed if the scenario was reversed? Not a chance

 

When a team can't execute, one of two things is at fault: (1) Lack of talent, which includes the front office's acquisition and management of talented player personnel; or (2) coaching, which includes discipline, fundamentals, conditioning, game planning, play selection, and practice. A fit team with talented personnel who are drilled in the fundamentals and practice plays that fit their talents, in a consistently disciplined manner, should be able to execute a game plan that exploits their matchups against the other team's personnel. It also takes time to achieve all of this, even with the right players, GM and coaching staff.

I'm not a coach, but my guess is that this checklist can't be completed unless an organization is given time to work on all these factors. Until then, the team has to lose a lot of games to organizations that are ahead of theirs. This organization's problem is that no group of players and coaches after Wanny has had the time to develop these factors. We lose and the fans call for the heads of the players, the coaches, the GM. The changes are made and the process starts over.

What Shula had was discipline and great personnel people, which brought championships. What kept the Dolphins near the top while he was coaching was stability and consistency. This team has to be given time to develop, and we have to support them while they do. That includes leaving Tannehill where he is, even if he craps the bed in a lot of games. I don't know about Ireland.

 

Reality is, we would have won 2 more games this year, maybe even 4, with Moore starting...but then what ? Get in playoffs as a 6th seed, lose on road in Denver ? I like that we are riding out the rookie to get him experience. Clearly he has sucked for 3 out of last 4 games. Not all his fault, but yesterday was. But in reality, we are grooming this guy for the future, and he is working out the kinks. We are going to sink or swim with Tanny next 4 years...

 

No, it means I gave him a pass on all the negative for 12 weeks. Stop putting words in my mouth.

 

Brady's passing was off, so was Tannehill's. there was a pretty strong wind that was swirling on that field that was affecting the accuracy of their passes a lot more than we realize, IMO.

 

As usual, Hartline is behind the defense bc of miscommunication or some other error by the defense. If you want to say Tanne overthrew the ball ok. But also understand that Hartline had enough time to speed up and get under the throw, he just doesn't have the extra gear. On the under throw, Tanne seemed to over correct for the first throw and lawd help us all if Hartline ever decides to come back for the ball.

Its a shame RT doesn't have 40 yd arms, then he could just hand Hartline the ball downfield. Either that or we can get some wrs who can, ya know, make a play on a slightly off target pass.

 

Of course. I always love the excuses and redefinition of what happens.

 

No way GM!!! Leading the receiver is leading the receiver. It doesn't matter how poor his deep speed is b/c it shouldn't affect the QB's touch. Tanny should have as much precision down field as he does on a quick out in order to make up for a receiver's slow top end speed.

Tannehill had hit enough pretty in-the-bucket throws lately to deserve his WRs to make a fuggin play for him for once.

<chuckle>

 

You know what would be GREAT?!-----> having the NFL Combine's 40 yard dash simulcam redo the play with every starting receiver to show how many guys would be out in front of Hartline on path for an easy reception. Heck, Mike Wallace is probably stopped and coming back on the ball. lol

 

Yes he could if he bounced it.

 

Ball was slick, keep in mind when DTrain fumbled 2 patriots could not handle the ball either.

But still, have to nail those throws to Bline, Tannehill would probably say the same thing judging on his reaction from the missed Td throw..

Rook Qb blues, saw the same thing in the CFL w/Travis Lulay when he first started, it's a part of the process