Miami Herald: Dolphins starting DEs sit out last drive vs Pats

"They were running the ball." What kind of dumb**** answer is that?

I'd of been like yea Joe, they ran the ball down your throat and finished the game off while two of your best players were on the bench. I can see Odrick esp bc he was hurt, but not having Wake in makes no sense.

Not like they were running the ball and we were having any kind of success stopping it.

 

Wow. I had thought the players might have been gassed and waved to be subbed.

Or even if they rotated out by plan, they'd not have a big problem with it...

But to hear Cam's response he seems to have a gripe with it and disagrees with the coaches but is too smart to say it to the media. Not a good sign when a player doesn;t believe in the coaches' decision and sounds annoyed.

Thing is... *I'm* ****ing annoyed too. Wake could have stopped that drive.

 

You're down by 7 with minutes left in the game. Any thoughts about defensive snap counts make little to no sense. If you stop them, you get the last possession of regulation, maybe the game depending on how much balls you have. After regulation expires, players get a fair amount of rest in the ensuing overtime preparation. After a while, you have to say "Holy crap, they're gashing us, time to send some good players into the game".

 

Coyle effed up this game pretty bad and Brady still had his worst game. Way too soft at the end. We let 'em skate for some unknown reason.

I hope Brady plays again in our last game. I wish Coyle would crowd the line more, instead of the opposite.

Maybe Zach can tutor Dansby inbetween...

One thing is for sure, Coyle doesn't trust his corners enough against Brady.

That last drive seemed gutless, but man were they on the field too long.

 

What Philbin meant is probably that the defensive ends aren't as important when the other team is running the ball up the middle, but penetration and containment are still important.

 

Dolphins hold best offense in the league to their second lowest point score, Defensive coordinator ****ed the game up.

 

Yikes... Nevermind snap counts in that situation... you play to win the game. Sounds like Wake wasn't to impressed with the decision Philbin and Coyle made. I don't quite get it either. GAme on the line, still a very slim shot at playoffs if you win, you go all in at that point... No ifs, ands or buts about it.

 

Exactly. I know this is just his first year but with the benching of Bush and the questionable moves from yesterday(not challenging LLoyd's catch & snap counts...smh), philbin is looking more and more like sparano 2.0

 

I'd say more like Cam Cameron 2.0 - that dude made some very strange decisions during games. Sparano was just too conservative.

You hate to say the fix is in, but this coupled with the biased reffing, and the fact the Pats win puts them in the playoffs......very coincidental. Now that the Pats are in it will be interesting to see how the refs treat them.

 

This isn't the first time they've done this. I've noticed it throughout the year. I don't think it had anything to do with next year. It's just something they do.

His clock management in the fourth quarter was a vast departure from Sparano.

Challenging Lloyd's catch was risky at best. I didn't have a problem with it. Trailing, they needed those timeouts.

 

Makes sense, because Tony Sparano was well known for those things...?

 

The hate on philbin is comedic and borderline 'tarded.

 

Considering that was a catch by Lloyd I'd say that was a pretty damn good decision.

 

I think they wrote this season off in the Colts game.

 

This isn't a problem if you have depth which the Dolphins don't. Jared Odrick is playing out of position and gets gassed, so he needs a breather. I also don't see a problem with Cam Wake not being on the field. As Philbin said, they were running the ball a bunch. Stopping the run not exactly Wake's specialty. During the drive Philbin called a timeout to get his defense their wind back and sub in players, as I recall. I thought that already showed some learning on the part of the staff. They should have called a timeout against the Cardinals on that final touchdown drive to get their wind back and check in some players that could rush the passer better. They didn't do that.

 

Nail on the head, both examples arent "perfect" game management, but this one is definitely being blown a bit out of proportion.

 

I'd have to know a lot more about how they coordinate this substitution pattern and who played for how long throughout the game, but I think the potential is there for this to explain why the team looked so easy to run on there. If you remove the guys who have battled for most of the game and therefore have the most emotional investment in winning it, that could explain why the team appeared to lack the expected "counterpunch" at that time.

Again, though, I'd have to have more information here.

 

Not calling him out for his mistakes and just swallowing what he feeds you is "tarded"....

 

1. You think this is me being a fan boy of Philbin? LOL. he has been called out on nearly anything even remotely close to a "mistake" he has done, whether it be positive or negative things he has done they have been pointed out and beaten to death. I'm not swallowing anything, this is as blown out of proportion as something can be, I would be pissed if I was wake, too. But the bottom line is the run D blew it at the end. BLEW it.

2. find me a coach that does not make mistakes, EVER. Or any human being for that matter. Common sense should tell you that Its not about the mistakes per se, its the severity of them, So Give me a break. I'm sure you want to fire him too?

 

Odrick is a key run defender though. And Wake plays both run and pass very well now.

 

I like Philbin a lot, but this is the first coaching thing I've disliked from him.

 

According to many individuals on this forum, this Dolphin team has plenty of talent. They only lost so many games between 2009 and 2011, because of Sparano and his coaching staff. This team is now 5-7 this year and if the season ended today, they would finish in last place in the AFC East.

So is it the lack of talent or it is the coaching? Either Philbin and his staff are no improvement over Sparano and his staff, or the GM just hasn't provided the talent needed to improve the record of this team. The Dolphins are playing a very easy schedule this year. If they can't win enough games to have a winning season this year, what is going to happen when they actually face a tough regular season schedule?

 

That is fair to say, tbh. but I don't think the initial TO and subs was a bad idea, at all. If the line woulda played like we know them and their depth can, it wouldnt be a conversation. There are so many damn factors why we lost the game, and the fact that this one is being highlighted out of all of them is slightly upsetting. But I suppose it is also true to say that there are plenty of "offensive dooms day" threads already.

 

I think it's ironic that the big story here is how Jared Odrick wasn't in on that final drive. Jared Odrick might be the most over-used defensive lineman in the NFL. He's a 300 pounder being asked to run around a wider track at defensive end snap to snap (consumes more energy), and yet he's putting in more snaps per game there than any defensive tackle in football aside from I believe Gerald McCoy.

You want a tired Jared Odrick in on that drive to help stop the run, get some players on the roster you can actually use and trust on a rotational basis, so that Odrick is fresh, and then you can have him in on that drive.

 

Randy Starks is seeing 30% more snaps than he did a year ago and Paul Soliai is seeing 45% more snaps than he did a year ago.

Is there really that much of a question why it seems like they're less effective stopping the run toward the end of the game?

 

This is a patented Cole/Armando maneuver. He just wants to cause ****, so people will read his stuff, because like Cole, he lacks the ability for real thought and writing ability. Don't fall for it.

 

Continuing to play Bush in traditiinal situations bothers me, especially when there's a player behind him running hard and downhill..

Thomas makes an incredible 3 rd down play that takes great skill to pull off, and sees the field once the rest of the way...

Like wtf are you watching coaches, Bush doesn't have it already..make him your third down back already

 

I think most coaches (except in college) dislike the idea of subbing an entire DL all at once. Too big of a potential advantage to the other side. It only makes sense to stagger it.

 

I thought they were predictable, didn't crowd the line, had safeties back deep on last long drive, just were not aggressive always sending four. Wind was whippy and both teams had off target passes and drops. I thought they should have at least mimicked New England by crowding the line and dropping out of that package pre-look.

Point score, point shmore...They didn't have to, as tired as our defense was. Brady and Belichek always play us very cautiously. No need to press when our defense is that gassed. You can make it seem like our defense did a good job, but IMO Coyle didn't commit to stop the run and they closed out the game. Seemed stubborn and pointless to me.

 

So much for ".500 or better gauranteed". I would say two more games ought to do it and then I get to pick your sig till next football season. Maybe next year you wont blindly believe in a front office that has no clue how to build a winner.

 

Or get a player that can replace Odrick on every down. He has bad feet but good hands. That's about it.
Odrick should be a rotational player. Bust.

 

And the plot thickens:

http://miamiherald.typepad.com/dolp...-dansby-disagrees-with-philbin-and-coyle.html

 

odrich only played 53% of defense plays vs the pats far lower than his normal amount [around 70%]! his normally on the field the most out of all our def lineman
so i cant see why he wasnt on the field

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/snapcounts

 

Should the Pats have benched Brady if they were only running the ball?

I'm not sure that benching the team's best player on a game-hinging drive is wise when Andy Reid, Mike Holmgren, and Norv Turner will be standing on the unemployment line in February.

 

You were saying? yeah, that's what I thought.