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Roger Goodell mulls idea of eliminating NFL kickoffs

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CaribPhin, Dec 8, 2012.

  1. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...ell-mulling-over-idea-of-eliminating-kickoffs

    This is pretty weird. It could potentially eliminate a bunch of fringe players from NFL rosters. Don't know what to say about this.
     
  2. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    For goodness's sakes.

    Keep it up, I can invest my time elsewhere.

    IMO..adopt the CFL rules, bubble around the returner OR take the ball at your 25 yd line.
     
  3. CaribPhin

    CaribPhin Guest

    The NFL should start doing a series of exhibitions when considering new rule changes that would have major effects on the game. Coaches would be encouraged to try new things but try to win. Fans get to sample it, and potential problems get exposed.

    Don't think I like that idea though. At least it's still just a suggestion.
     
  4. CrunchTime

    CrunchTime Administrator Retired Administrator

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    If you dont want to risk injury find another sport to play n and in Roger Goodels case find another sport to be commisioner of like womens softball for instance.
     
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  5. firedan

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    If that happens they might as well go to flag football.The kickoff may be hazardous but that is part of the attraction of the game.
     
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  6. RoninFin4

    RoninFin4 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Goodell's ruining football. I know a few years back he had a proposal floated to the competition committee to eliminate the 3-point stance of O and D Linemen. True story.
     
  7. BlameItOnTheHenne

    BlameItOnTheHenne Taking a poop

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    He may be 'ruining' football, but people will still watch.
     
  8. unifiedtheory

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    Both ideas are rubbish. This is football. People hit each other, people get hurt, people get paid well to take the risk and people have a choice whether they want to do all those things. Goodell is taking as much of the physical aspect as he can out of the game out of fear of lawsuits.
     
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  9. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    Dumbest idea ever. Really, eliminating a major part of the game because he doesn't want to risk injury? These player sign up for football at 6 years old knowing they can get hurt, it comes with the territory man. What do you say to all the special teams players that make a living just running down the field on kick offs to support their family, what they can't play football any more because the commish thinks it's too dangerous? I knew all these damn rule changes would have a slippery slope affect, I mean this could change the outcome of games drastically, having a good special teams can make all the difference in a close game.
     
  10. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    here is a better idea how about changing the special teams rules back to the way it used to be and stop sisifying the sport .


    am I alone when I say that Goodell is screwing up the sport. he needs to be removed from office
     
  11. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I don't get the outcry. This would make for some exciting football.
     
  12. MikeHoncho

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    Minus onside opportunities.
     
  13. smahtaz

    smahtaz Pimpin Ain't Easy

    That changes everything.
     
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  14. Shamboubou

    Shamboubou Well-Known Member

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    So there is a chance you could watch a while football game and never see your offense on the field?
     
  15. bobw999

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    If they get rid of any kicking, it should be field goals and punting. But maybe that's just a symptom of being a Dolphins fan. :sad:
     
  16. MikeHoncho

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    Tony Sparano read this post and died a little inside.
     
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  17. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Not to defend Goodell, because he shares the blame but.....
    If you really want to blame people I think we need to look at all the former players who are attaching their names to the concussion law suit. That suit is driving all these measures aimed at player safety.
    Football is a violent sport. Everyone who decides to play knows what they are signing up for.
     
  18. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    The truth is that the game as it is played today looks nothing like the game as it was played at the turn of the last century. Somehow we can live today without the flying wedge and the Notre Dame shift. Rules change. The game evolves. It's just a shame that it's one more thing that has to change because of fear of litigation.
     
  19. finsincebirth

    finsincebirth Well-Known Member

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    You could possibly argue that the odds of converting 4th and 15 are better than an onside kick.

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  20. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Exactly. I hate the halo role in the CFL, but if the NFL is going to eliminate kickoffs, then... id rather see them do the rules like the CFL. But to make it a 4th and 15, is just plain stupid IMO.
     
  21. Hurricane

    Hurricane Guest

    Let's just do this

    [video=youtube;FeeVwkLYD5g]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FeeVwkLYD5g[/video]

    ...seems legit
     
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  22. Jt0323

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    There goes any drama with a team down two possessions with a min left. Also idk who said this but I agree with who ever it was that, the moment when the first kickoff and you see all those flashes is a great moment that we will never see


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  23. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    How are kickoffs any attraction when 90% of them are touchbacks?
     
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  24. Anonymous

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    For the Superbowl.
     
  25. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I wonder if this does happen if a return specialist would have a case in court against the NFL...
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Not sure if serious.
     
  27. UCF FINatic

    UCF FINatic The Miami Dolphins select

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    I honestly though that was really cool. If prefer that over a boring coin flip any day.
     
  28. I wonder what a 53 man roster would like without special teams on it?
     
  29. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    You didn't understand what JT0323 said. The kickoffs are an attraction during the Superbowl because every time it is kicked off, you can see all the flashes from the cameras simultaneously.
     
  30. Hurricane

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    You know, it really makes no sense to me why that occurs, anyway.

    Aside from the fact that they shouldn't be using flash in the first place, it's the absolute least important play of the game. Even if the kick is returned for a 108 yd touchdown, there is still 59:45 at the very least remaining to play.

    Ha, really? I think the XFL had some good conceptual ideas, but most of what they did was throwing **** on the wall to see what sticks (evidenced by numerous rule changes throughout the season).

    I agree that the coin toss is boring, but let me go ahead and take it one step further; I think it's totally pointless to begin with. I really don't understand why it matters which half you get the ball first in. The "defer" is popular. Why? Because you get the ball back at the half? So? The other team got the ball first in the first half. There is an equal and opposite argument for any potential benefit you might suggest a coin toss offers.

    The away team should get the ball first by default (as with baseball), and then just go from there.

    I'm not sure what to do in regards to overtime, though. That cointoss makes sense. Unfortunately, the NFL overtime regulations, in of themselves, aren't perfect. They never were.

    /endrant
     
  31. seabass0795

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    [video=youtube;vlv6BrrxD_4]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlv6BrrxD_4[/video]

    In a nutshell the ideas that Roger will begin giving
     
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  32. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    It would certainly be higher. I don't recall the numbers, but onside kick recovery % isn't that low. Onside kick recovery % when the opposing team knows it is coming is very low. Like our attempts vs. the Jets and Patriots. Fair chance against the Jets while they are off guard. Hope and a prayer against the Pats

    Lots of possibilities. It could become a key play. 15 yards. All different kinds of fake punts as well.

    I'm guessing that the "touch back" might change too if we start putting the ball at the 30. Would the spot of the ball on change of possession out of bounds be altered now that the rule is no longer uniform?

    While we are at it, get rid of field goals and extra points
     
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  33. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    I actually wish the XFL still existed. I thought it was entertaining.

    Maybe they can bring back Slamball too...
     
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  34. Hurricane

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    Correct.

    Sample size and situation heavily skew the two.

    Create a controlled experiment. 100 4th and 15's where the defense expects a conversion attempt vs. 100 onside kicks where the hands team expects it.

    You're probably looking at something close to 20% vs 10%, respectively, with the former based entirely on the skill level of the offense, whereas the result of onside kicks are, for the most part, chance-driven.

    To remove the kickoff is a slippery slope (as the events preceding it suggest). What is the point of special teams then? Why not just run two point conversions every time (the one XFL rule I did like)?

    While it actually makes sense to remove special teams, from a logical point of view, it's insane; no longer football.
     
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  35. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Probably. Considering the US legals system... you can file a suit for anything, anywhere, anytime...
     
  36. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    You can go for it...

    Its essentially 4th and 15 on your 30. You either punt it or go for it. You have a better chance at getting a 4th and 15 than you do an onside kick. I happen to like the elimination of the kickoff.
     
  37. BuckeyeKing

    BuckeyeKing Wolves DYNASTY!!!!

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    I'm sure one could make a case if he signed a contract that had Kick off return stipulations. Though a team could restructure that deal to something else but who knows.
     
  38. Lloyd Heilbrunn

    Lloyd Heilbrunn Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If the issue is really high speed collisions, try the following:

    Kicking team except for kicker(who is still kicking off from present position) line up at opposing 30.

    Recieving team except returner lines up on its 15.

    Players can't advance until returner touches the ball.

    Team has option to try traditional onside kick in last 7 1/2 minutes.
     
  39. WhiteIbanez

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    = The death of football.
     
  40. Hurricane

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    And the birth of a sport without plays predicated on shoe salesman pretending to be athletes

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