I turned the game off as Kap was making that long run. Please tell me Thill didn't do that and you are just throwing out a "what if" scenario. Oh god did he really do that today?
we got to get our offensive talent up to speed, both scenarios will require it so we might as well go loco on offense.
Sidney Rice is a playmaking Pro Bowl receiver who is finally back to health. There's a reason he was signed for $41 million. Zach Miller runs circles around our TEs. Golden Tate is a 2nd round WR with twice the playmaking ablity of our starters. At least he attacks the ball and provides the chance for a completion/TD if a throw isn't right on the money. Doug Baldwin, who had 788 yards and 4 TDs as a rookie last year with Tavaris Jackson/Charlie Whitehurst, is a backup. Weeden has redzone threats. That's the difference.
We have a starting flanker who is best suited as a #3/#4 receiver.......... and to show you how bad Bess is suited as a split end where he's been much of the year, we have a 7th round rookie eating into those snaps in order to get Bess in the slot where he belongs. That's all you need to know really.
I can't believe he went down on that deep seam pass in the 2 nd quarter that Tannehill laid in there...
With all due respect, the Bucs's D is NOT the 49er's D, not even close. Not even in the same category. Let's see how our boy looks next week against the Jag's D.
Guy's Tannehill has the talent. He doesn't get scared or overwhelmed in the face of a mad rush, like today. He held his own, w/ limited weaponry. And he's still very very raw compared to his rookie counterparts. The kid will thrive in due time w/ more experience, and more weapons. I watch highlights from other games, and I keep saying over and over, "There's a play by a receiver that no receiver on our team is capable of making." Over and over and over. It's not that Hartline, Bess, and Fasano have no value, but they are not true playmakers. Remember Thanksgiving Day, when RGIII threw way behind Garcon across the middle - Garcon makes the play, then runs away from everyone for a TD. Not one player on our team may have even made that catch w/out laying out and falling down. Watch the highlights tonight from other games - you'll see what I mean. We need playmakers at the receiver position - TE, and WR. When we get them, things will be better. Count on it!
Laid it in there? Re-watch it because I have 10 x's. THill over threw Bess in Full stride by 4 or 5 yards. Luck, Rodgers, Brady and even Wilson make that throw. THill is supposed to have the timing down. It appears he needs more work. I would expect that from Matt Moore since he hasn't had a whole lot of first team reps. Maybe that needs to change
Look I get the frustration I do. I am as pissed as anybody and I like anybody else would love to see Tannehill be the guy that overcomes all the obstacles in front of him and wins games despite subpar talent around him. Tannehill hasnt lost us very many games but has himself won fewer. I get it. What I dont get is the expectations. I believe, again, as many have said Tannehill has elite potential but has a huge bust risk as well. he had 19 starts in college. He being able to compete at this level says wonders about him. the fact that this rollercoaster hasnt phased him is also a part of the "it" factor. So based on what he is coming from what are your expectations? Luck RGIII and Wilson all have way more experience coming in, each has a deep vertical threat. each has a good oline. But lets break each down from a simplistic point of view Luck - once in a decade, no RT isnt Luck but none are. (rookies) Closes one is Wilson. more later RGIII - has deep threats and has Cam like running ability with speed. yes he is better than RT Wilson - Had he been 6'4" he would have went 3 to Clev right behind RGIII. He could end up top 2 of this bunch I love this kid, very smart and athletic. But isnt hurt with a good wr core and a system thats been in place for a year. So while you look at their results and see them clearly outperforming tannehill. It doesnt mean Tannehill doesnt get where they are. It just means Tannehill has a longer road. WHich has its own pitfalls, but isnt a death sentence of sorts either. 13 games as a pro 19 in college. Not a lot of experience yet shows poise and calm. I think you need to temper what you expect from him in thsi rookie year everyone felt he would have sat behind Moore or Garrard. If you consider everything, he has exceeded expectations coming in
I agree with this. There isn't much explosiveness in the unit. Bess is the exception in YAC but he isn't explosive. They are good receivers, though.
Wow. Are we really disclaiming Tannehill because of two other rookies? Rookies who have more experience playing the position than Tannehill? Folks, we drafted a project. What other QBs may or may not do has nothing to do with Tannehill. The act of comparing Tannehill and finding him wanting is about two years too soon. But by all means, jump off the ledge. So, where does the buck stop?
Nobody should be "sold" on Tannehill at this point. But to suggest anything negative about him is pretty off-base IMO.
To answer your question, yes. The worse thing that Tannehill could have ever did was throw for 400+ yards against Arizona. The expectations, already crazy since the draft, and furthered by his winning of the job through training camp, has been augmented to unreasonable levels for this season.
The entire NFL is about comparing which players are better than others. The draft is all about who should be num ber one, miner two, who is the best QB, the less good QB who should be picked later. Which players to sign, keep, cut. It's what makes one roster better or worse than another one. So, yeah, since those rosters meet on Sundays and the better one generally wins, it's all about comparing players and who can get better ones than the other guy is getting.
Flashback-------04/2012 Ryan Tannehill is a large quarterback prospect whose draft stock has risen over the past few months. With an impressive combination of intelligence, size, strength and mobility, the former Texas A&M Aggie strikes similarity to the NFL's biggest draft bust ever—Ryan Leaf. Tannehill is considered the No. 3 quarterback in the 2012 NFL draft class behind Stanford's Andrew Luck and Baylor's lone Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III. Many experts project Tannehill to be drafted by the Miami Dolphins, who have the No. 8 pick overall. With only one full season as quarterback (he converted from wide receiver) at the college level, I honestly believe Tannehill will have an excruciating transition to the level of play in the NFL, just as Leaf did. Let's compare Tannehill to Leaf from an NFL scout's stand point. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1157897-ryan-tannehill-the-ryan-leaf-of-the-decade
I understand that. The point is, too many people are making a unicorns-to-pyrite comparison and calling it apples-to-apples. There is no equal ground on which to compare, say, RG3 and Tannehill. Not right now, anyway. They're two totally different kinds of quarterback, and RG3 is further along at the position due to prior experience at lower levels of the game than Tannehill. Luck and Wilson are also further along than Tannehill. That doesn't mean Tannehill is crap and it's time to roll our eyes (and dice) and draft another QB, as some apparently want.
Good post bro. Tannehill made more heady plays today then in many games vs SF by more experienced QB's. The drive with about 5 minutes to go where Tannehill took a roughing call showed guts. He hung in on an incomplete pass, knew he was going to get pasted and we got a PI and roughing call on the same play. Most QB's dont make that play. Its insignificant on his stat sheet but its a play coaches and teammates recognize. Re about teh speed of the game...yes and no. Tannehill has not had problems adjusting to the speed of the game at all. What I see is some targets who are just slow getting to spots and it results in throws that look bad. People forget in a WCO you throw to a spot. Its all timing. The receiver HAS to get there and the QB anticipates the receiver getting there. If the receiver isnt there, the QB can throw a perfect ball to the correct spot and it looks inaccurate. Dont mistake inaccuracy for bad routes or poor timing, both of which I saw happen today. Weeden has Josh Gordon who is by far better then anyone we have. gordon would have a 1st round grade right about now. Cleveland grabbed him in rd 2 of the supplemental draft. great pick by them. If you play fantasy football remember the name. Hes fast strong and tough. They have richardson who the use well in the passing game when needed. Wilson has a better OL and has good enough weapons and a running game. There is no Leaf resemblance whatsoever. If anyone his draft rise would more semble someone like Philip Rivers who was originally a late 2nd/early 3rd round prospect by many scouting services. Then teams started looking at his tapes and realized hey this guy is good instead of prejudging him by the facts he didnt have a blistering arm and a had a funky release. Its the same way people had a predisposed opinion of Tannehill because of his lack of experience. People find silly things to pick at without understanding that the player has already overcome the shortcoming. People forget that as a WR you have to read defenses the same way a QB does and if there is a position I want a QB converting from its WR. Thats why you see athletic QB's convert to wr though..guys like Hines Ward, Matt Jones, Kordell Stewart when he saw time there...the two positions encompass a lot of the same reads. Whoever wrote that article should be pre-banned from this board to prevent further stupidity....Matter of fact ill be back in 5 to take care of that
It was some guys opinion. Weather right or wrong remains to be seen. Do I think THill resembles Ryan Leaf, in physical and athletic ways only. THill is far from Ryan Leaf. Interesting look at THill before the draft and a look at his troubles reading defenses in college. I think some of those difficulties still exist only on a stronger level. This is the NFL after all and the defenses are much more complicated with much better athletes. It is easy to forget he was a converted receiver. Of course we all want to win badly so when we play a team as close as we did last week and today it is easy to pick at the holes we see. They are numerous, across the board not only on Tannehill. I think we can all agree on that. Is THill our Franchise QB, don't know. Do I hope he is, hell yes. I want to talk about something other then it being Ireland's fault. There is plenty of blame to go around. IMO we are not as far off from being a very good team. Ireland gets a "C" in my book and I have absolutely no desire to replace him and start all over again. It starts right here with Ryan Tannehill. He sets the tone and is our leader on offense like it or not. Defensively I am not sure who that leader is because I don't see anyone stepping up, but, hey that's a topic for another thread.
was at the game today and you sir are 100% correct. Our receivers are just slow. The over throw to Bess was an over throw but jesus is he slow. The one to Moore was 100% on Moore. I watched Moore go from 5th gear to 2nd in a couple steps and then try to catch up to the ball. If he keeps running that is a TD.
I didn't write the article, some reporter did. That is his dumb *** comparison, not mine. He does make some interesting points about Tannehill's play in college. Everybody acts as if he was all world or something and he wasn't. He had the same troubles in college as he is having now. And the team he played for in his college senior year was 7-6. Just keeping things in perspective here, you know keeping it real. The QB play problems are expected, as the article points out what they are.We have to keep things in perspective with Tannehill's progress. I really would like to see some individual game stat's to see what games his QB rating has been low, what type of defense we were up against, etc Personally I thought we saw a little progress today when he stepped up in the pocket, I just wish he would take off running because he had 20 yards of open space in front of him
I just wish they opened the playbook a little there over babying him let him have his 5 int games and sling it around to keep defenses honest. Its hard for me to judge him we seem to run the same plays over and over but he does seem to throw the ball out of bounce a lot. Plus we love going deep to our shortest wr on the team for some reason makes no sense.
I'm not saying he's not the guy but of the rookie QBs he does look like the worst of them right now. Weeden, Griffin, Wilson, Cousins, Luck, and Foles all looked better than him when I have seen them play. Weeden is on the ****ing browns so the whole no offensive weapons thing is the same for him. Colts and Redskins(Redskins have Morris) don't have a lot of offensive play makers either.
My point was that I HOPE the speed of the game is slowing him down.. Because if it isn't, then his reactionary skillset is slow in general and that's why we're not seeing that specific skillset that allows him to improvise athletically when protection breaks down...can he take off and run fast, yes, he can do that, but those runs have usually been conscious decisions, I'm looking for the quick reactions to pressure and graceful escapability that results in critical playmaking ability, and I'm not seeing it thus far.. Now lets talk about batted passes, this is his fault, and I see some disturbing mechanics when it comes to it.
I missed where Tanny hurt us today against arguably the best D in the NFL in their house. Did you guys see a different game?
