Some non emotional based thoughts on WR and our 2012 draft/FA (including Jon Martin)

Within 20 posts this thread will be "emotional," watch.

 

I tend to agree that moves were attempted and they didn't happen. There's no way they thought we were set but it's probable that they didn't see an answer. I'm glad were not paying big money for some random avg. Wr though.

They also brought In gaffney and Anthony Armstrong. It's not like they didn't try.

With that said, Ireland still should go.

And I'm all for letting long walk.

 

Personally thought Garner and Martin held up well enough

Thought the Wr's did alright

Think Coyle is beginning to get his sea legs as a DefCord

All in all we are going in a good direction, I'm happy with Philbin/Coyle/Rizzi/Sherman

Just tired of the losing.

Let's be objective here, we are in a better place with Garner/Martin then we were in 2011, we can seriously think about letting Jake walk AND have a basis for doing so.

PFF doesn't like Martin, from what I've seen he's done fine and you can see the upside.

 

Too late. I was getting all misty-eyed at: I know none of you [outside of perhaps a few people] are happy

 

You don't get points for trying.

 

Great, well thought out post, but doesn't address his poor draft picks/ acquisitions, minus Wake and Pouncey.

 

Trading for James Jones would have been a terrible decision if he cost anything close to what was assumed in the offseason. He'd be better than nothing as a #3 wide receiver, but a pretty **** investment at the end of the day.

 

There's no way he wouldn't of been better than Bess and Hartline. Def didn't drop as many passes as either too.

 

Hartline figures to top 1k yds this weekend

DBess is on track as well

Oddly enough, Charles Clay may top Fasano in yds.

 

James Jones is quite well known for dropping passes.

He's the Packers #1 wide receiver, and he's completely wilted under pressure. He's essentially the poster child for wilting under pressure.

 

He probably would have been better than Armstrong, Gaffney, Moore and Mathews.

 

What games have you been watching this year? He's dropped 1 pass on the season. 6 for Bess, 3 for Hartline.

All that pressure didn't stop him from catching 9 TDs either.

See above.

 

was at the game yesterday, and I was taken aback by how little separation our WR's get AND how slow they are.

The WR's left three TD's on the field yesterday. First was the Hartline catch that he got tackled by the wind of the DB that ran by him (no way he should not have scored there). Second, was the incomplete pass to Moore. Moore clearly slowed WAY down when he initially turned to look back. As it was happening I thought he was giving up on the play and then was like oh crap… He runs hard through out the entire route he catches the ball and scores. The last was the over throw to Bess. Let me just say up front that Bess is my favorite Dolphin but goddamn he is slow. Any receiver with any kind of speed gets to that ball. BTW, Bess got behind the defense they just caught up to him by the time the ball was landing in the endzone. Our WR's are just flat out slow.

 

And I'd still take his production. He's got 7 more TDs than Bess and Hartline combined.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/10522/james-jones

 

9 TD's....is that a joke? Here, 9 TD's is far and away the number 1 receiver and he'd be assumed to have had a 5th-3rd round cost. With the sheer amount of people with catches in GB, I have no doubt he'd be a 1,000 yard receiver here. He is no doubt better than what we have. Brian Hartline and Davone Bess are getting yards because we have no other receivers. Jones is getting production in an offense with Cobb having 71 catches, Nelson with 46, and Finley with 43.

 

James Jones WAS quite well known for dropping passes yet he still had a higher catch % than Hartline. You're grasping at old news and things that don't hold true in order to justify a nonsense position that someone with 9 TD'd would be a number 3 receiver in Miami.

As for him being the number one receiver, what are you even talking about? Cobb has the most targets and receptions (71 receptions), and going based on last season, Nelson is the number 1. Jennings would be 1-2 if he were healthy. Nelson is the one who has wilted. He has the same amount of catches as Jones and 3 less touchdowns although he averages approx. 2.2 YPC more.

 

And here's the spark.

 

That's not production, that's an artifact of playing with Aaron Rodgers.

 

Why would you have no doubts on this?

He's got more passing down snaps than Brian Hartline, Davone Bess, and every other non-Aaron Rodgers player on the Packers roster by a wide margin. He's out there on the field, and if he were any good, he'd be way more productive than he would be.

Quick question...If the Dolphins put Davone Bess and Brian Hartline on IR right now, how far behind would James Jones be in terms of yardage at the end of the season of either of them?

 

Sure sounds like that artifact was dug out of somewhere.

 

Catch % isn't the same thing as dropping passes. At all.

 

So IF I was playing with Rodgers I would have 9 TD's this season?

 

Please, by all means justify him over Plaxico Burress at this point.

PS, another James Jones fun fact: He's not broken 100 yards in a game this year, despite being the Packers #1 wide receiver.

He has however broken 100 yards in the last 4 games, just barely.

 

you share my desire to blow up the receiving corps...lets assume Jeffy stays ...are you sure HE wants to revamp the group? if Ireland stays, more than likely Hartline stays, Fasano stays, maybe he'll add a Mike Wallace but that will be enough for him...then when teams put their best corner on Hartline and double Wallace = passing game shut down.

and Martin is one of the worst tackles in football, only Ireland can find the ONE tackle worse than Marc Columbo.

 

agree with you 100 percent. tannehill has to make perfect passes to even get a completion most of the time. playmakers make plays, hartline is what he is, he is a very good possession receiver, he would make a pretty good #2 and bess a good #3. we dont even have a #3 receiver, our best #3 wide receiver is marlon moore and he has 8 catches for 83 yards. put that in perspective javorskie lane has 7 catches and he is a full back.

then look at other teams #3 receivers
who have 500+ yards and we want to know why we are struggling.

the dolphins need a true #1 receiver and a playmaker at tight end.

 

This is a double edged sword. If he wasn't valuable, why would he have as many snaps as he does? Obviously he's on the field doing something right. On a team with the riches at receiver as GB, it's impressive that he's out there on so many offensive snaps.

EDIT: There's also the possibility that he's a good blocker and remains in on all of the running plays (which is actually true). But hey, the fact that Tannehill has played approx. 100 snaps with at least one of our two receivers off the field tells me they're not as valuable as we'd think.

 

Is this the attempt at telling me Hartline is better because he's had a 100 yard game?



There's already a world of information to show why Jones is better in this thread alone. Hartline's 110 targets to Jones' 74 is a pretty big gap in alleged number 1 WRs as well.

lol @ Plaxico though.

 

The Packers have that exact same philosophy with arguably the best quarterback in the league, and he's not doing anything.

He's not in any sense getting crowded out by any of his peers, either. He's got 524 passing down snaps. The next closest players have 404, 384, and 372 respectively.

He's a red zone specialist at best.

 

Bad decision making by the Packers?

No, Hartline is better because he's light-years more productive.

There's really no reason why Hartline should have that many more targets than Jones. Jones is on the field significantly more than Brian Hartline is, with a much better quarterback.

 

He had a good play, that one time.

 

Yea he's the best when you're looking for someone to fall over on the slightest hint of contact or play as small as possible. And he's very productive for having 110 targets, 950 yards and 1 TD. 1 TD for Hartline yet Jones wilts under pressure. Light years ahead lol

 

James doesn't get credit for what those other players are producing.

It was mostly for the purposes of pointing out how unproductive Jones has been this year.

Seriously, 100 yards in the last 4 games. Games he had 98, 94, 99, and 93% snap percentages in. The guy is out of his league as a starter.

 

Are you telling me 600 something yards and slowing down is anything close to acceptable for a full time receiver in the Packers offense