We need to stop using the word fault. It's the whole ****ing organization and teams fault. But yeah, if one player plays worse, then the other players playing better would make up for it. Or if one position has to face a dominant player, then the other positions can make up for it by dominating their opposing player. So in that sense, with the tackles overmatched, the interior needed to win its battles all day. Doesnt make the loss their 'fault'. But tackles lose... And interior doesn't dominate... Can't dominate with our ground game... Can't buy Ryanenough time to let our mediocre receivers work open. Domino effect. Actually, Incognito was the weak link it appeared.
They have it up now. Martin was given a -5.2 grade with one sack and 4 hurries given up. Richie Incognito was given a +1.0 grade. 1 sack, 1 QB hit, and 1 hurry given up. Mike Pouncey was given a +1.6 grade. John Jerry was given a -1.5 grade with one hurry given up. Nate Garner was given a +1.3 grade with one hurry given up. I'm quite intrigued with Nate Garner's play the last two weeks. Not saying he's the answer but this is the second straight week he's play really well as a RT.
Nate played fairly well when we first aquired him..but everytime he's got a legitimate shot to claim the starter role he would get injured and then it would take him a while to get over the injuries when he was back. If he can get past the injury bug I could see him as a legtimate RT.
Sometimes I think our OL is better than we make it look. Our WR are always barely open, I mean I feel bad for Tanny with some of those throws. ****ing guy is amazing, really is, I mean our group of pass catchers get rare separation. Hartline only one that does. Our RB's, don't hit the hole consistently, don't break tackles. We need a better RB, and WR group before OL.
I really didn't think Martin was that bad, all things considered. I mean, -5.2 makes me think Marc Colombo
Let's not forget that Ireland has been secretly stashing Yeatman in a CIA black prison so that no other teams could get a read on him
Last year for 16 games, Colombo had an overall grade of -16.6, and after 13 games this season, Martin has an overall grade of -21.8.
I don't understand the sense of that. We have him on the 53 man roster. No other team can get him unless we cut him. Better use him if need be.
There appears to be a very dramatic difference between Nate Garner when he's coming off the bench and when he's prepared during the week as a starter. It seems like every time he comes off the bench, even for a play or two he gets destroyed, and he performs like a legitimate starter when he's given time. I don't know it's so much that as they've got to do developmental work with him. He was active this week, and he's apparently now over 300lbs. I'd like to see him out there even as a Tackle eligible.
All of those scores (except Martin) are the EXACT opposite of what I thought I saw. Just shows, you need to watch every play, not just the few that the camera catches. I thought Incog had played bad and Jerry well, .
Yeah, it makes no sense at all as a reason. It's like people who say "Oh, we're scoring low because they are saving their real weapons and good plays for late in the season." Just dumb.
Wait... what's crazy is that Martin's score jumped UP 15 points by facing Aldon Smith... on the LEFT SIDE.
That's not really how it works though, it's cumulative. He didn't go from ultra bad to mediocre vs. Aldon Smith, he had a really bad game worse than anything else he's done per their grades.
Nate Garner did a really good job on Ahmad Brooks and Ray McDonald, but he did get help. The 49ers decided that their bottom ***** was going to be Jon Martin and so they didn't do anything gimmicky or unusual with matchups, they kept Justin Smith and Aldon Smith going up on Martin the whole time. That is, until the very end when the 49ers decided to flip Aldon Smith over to Nate Garner's side and see how the Dolphins would respond. The Dolphins seemed to respond like a girl who just had her skirt flipped up. They immediately sent help over to chip on Smith because they did not trust Garner to block him. Despite Jon Martin's very public neutering at the behest of Aldon Smith, the Dolphins showed trust in Martin by having him block Smith alone (smartly or stupidly). That wasn't the case from what I saw on the few occasions Aldon flipped over to Garner's side. Nate Garner did not really have a good game against NE and this is an occasion where I've also watched all the snaps and am comfortable disagreeing with the graders. Garner got destroyed and allowed a sack/strip against Trevor Scott which we all saw. He also struggled at times with Justin Francis and with Rob Ninkovich. Ironically he seemed to on the whole have no trouble with Trevor Scott except for a few pass rush plays including the one he got destroyed on. He struggled a little bit more with Francis and a lot more with Ninkovich. I say ironic because it was the exact opposite for Martin. Jon Martin owned Rob Ninkovich but then was really, really struggling with Trevor Scott...including a sack he allowed to Scott.
Of course the one everyone will remember is when he was pushed to his backside and his player jumped over him for the sack.
What are the style differences in those two? I mean, maybe we could get a better idea as to Martin's struggles?
Honestly I feel like the quality of grading on the site has gone down in a drastic way this season. I've had a hard time agreeing with any of their grades for the most part.
Before yesterdays game Martin was rated #32 "by football outsiders" of all starting right tackles running backs ran for a 2.9 yard average behind him
great now we are going to compare a rookie to a guy that has been in the NFl for 10 + years. If we are still talking about Martins shortcomings as year from now then you have something to complain about… otherwise give it a rest
would it have if Misi was still in the game? I mean Trusnik was the one that got beat on the last run. Otherwise the option was not that productive...
Have you watched and graded every snap for every player (or any player) using the same or similar methodology? If not, you aren't doing the same analysis so I'm not sure what basis you'd have for agreeing or disagreeing.
I thought Martin did about what we expected of him...he got beat semi-regularly...which to be clear might not have been much different then if Jake Long had been there given Jake's trouble with speed at times...but the only sack he gave was by Trevor Scott. I can live with a negative grade and 4 hurries allowed to the Smith's. I mean thats the end result most teams get when they face SF's right side DE and OLB. So would you give up on him? I mean based on what youre saying there is no way Martin could have any kind of turnaround. Yet thats exactly what Houston's Duane Brown did after a rookie year worse then Jonathan Martin's. Brown is now one of the top 7-8 LT's around. His problem his rookie year was, just like Jon Martin, he wasnt strong enough. Fast forward a few seasons and look how good hes become. I think people are making a mistake giving up on him and declaring him a bust
Yeah, that's pretty ugly. In Martin's defense, he's a rookie. Also, Aldon Smith (arguably the best pass rusher in the league this year) pretty much does that to most (if not all) tackles. Is there not a defensive "hands to the face" penalty? Maybe Aldon got away with one there, but Martin was slow to get his hands on Smith on that play and looked a little off-balanced. I dunno......not really an offensive lineman observer. I thought on some plays, Martin really showed some moxie and some strength in keeping to his man. I was pleasantly surprised to see some pop in his engagement. I also saw a little dirty streak from him, too, which I like. I think if he can strengthen up but keep his overall athleticism, he should be fine if coached properly. He's obviously a bright individual and should be able to translate his coaching onto the field (again, if coached properly).
Yes, defense isn't allowed to put the hands on the facemask or slap the side of the head. Very Deacon Jones of Aldon on that play
Haha yeah. I think he got enough of Martin's chest to make it legitimate ownage though. I thought Martin did alright, but he's clearly got to improve. Next week is Jason Babin. We had over a 4-yard rush average though, so our line didn't too bad, they were just inconsistent as someone previously mentioned, I think it was CK. Slump, groove, slump.
Actually that doesn't matter. If you tackle someone and grab a facemask, it is still a facemask penalty
