If we finish with the following record, should Ireland be retained?

For some reason I can't comprehend, Peterson has given Ireland a seal of approval. I wonder what Philbin thinks?

 

This roster is what it is, and that's not good enough. Even a run of the schedule would have more to do with coaching than it would be Ireland's roster. Dramatic decreases or increases in a teams output are generally related to coaching. This teams consistent suckitude is due to Ireland's roster.

 

I'd give the product on field a C. I'd give the fans' ability to understand anything past wins and losses an F.

 

Exactly how long do we give Ireland to make improvements and do we just accept that none of the teams weaknesses and voids in talent are not his fault but are the fault of coaching and the players. I just don't think we are as close as some people think we are and unfortunately we still have a lot of missing pieces.

 

How long? Until you spend hours upon hours watching each game, each player, and understanding the true reasons why the team is or isn't performing. That's how long. Until then, just root for the team and hope they do well.

 

I voted fire no matter what. I thought he should have been fired last year with Sparano and I would like the stench of the Parcells era to end in the front office. I like Philibin a lot so I wouldn't be suicidal if we kept Ireland but I think he's proved himself to be mediocre at best and I think that sends a terrible message to the team and the fans. There are better front office people out there we should be looking for a great GM, not a mediocre GM.

 

The question is two fold, if Philbin was performing actual GM duties then Philbin is here because of him, in return I'm sure Philbin would be on board with Ireland, however, we stand here today not knowing details about the direction of our organization, who's in charge of what, and who aquired who.

 

Lol

 

If this team wins out that means winning in NE. If he is retained, I won't ***** too much I guess. I'll wait to see how he handles our FA's and see if he has enough money to spend on a solid FA or two and then pray that he hits with the draft.


Not a fan of Ireland anymore though. I would like to get rid of the Parcells tree once and for all.

 

I don't know why, but I'll feel a little better if we beat Jacksonville and split with Buffalo. I'm not expecting to win out with the way that the Pats rolled the Texans on Monday night.

 

That's the way I would like to feel but I cannot force myself to do it any longer. If this scenario plays out then more power to him and those who stuck to their guns.

 

Whether we win out or lose out if I were in Ross's shoes I would replace Ireland. From 08 to present Ireland has not really been able to find and sign dynamic pieces onto the roster. Ross needs to send the message that mediocrity is not enough to stay employed by him. He needs to put everyone on notice that he demands excellence from his employees. Ireland was given a fair chance to produce and he has not. It is time to find a new GM.

 

If that happens Philbin gets more kudos than Ireland. I think he is staying regardless of record. It was a clear rebuilding year, they traded two good players....why fire the guy now, you should have done it last year. I don't think Ross changes his mind...

 

I agree 100%. Beating NE is more on the coaches than the GM

 

um huh you voted your deep down consciousness

 

??? What is the basis of your argument? Ireland's roster is a convenient excuse.

 

Why would it matter if we win out as opposed to having won our first 8 games and then lost the next 8? What does the sequence matter when the result is the same?

 

Because winning meaningless games at the end of the year is more important, duh. Take last year for example, when the Dolphins started 0-7, then won 6 of 9. It's obvious that the way they finished was more indicative of the talent level, just like in 2005 when they started 2-7, and ripped off 7 wins in a row. Forget the fact that the 2006 team finished 6-10. That was obviously all coaching. This year? Well, it's gotta be the rookie QB. HAS TO BE. CAN'T BE THE OVERALL TALENT. ROOKIE QB. NOT THE GM.

 

Of course it's the QB.

If you look at Matt Moore's stats, only when we won, and against only non-playoff teams, he was one of the highest rated QBs in the league. So obviously the overall talent is good enough.

You can understand this through the use of charts and numbers and links to PFF, because obviously if there are charts and numbers then the conclusion is correct.

 

I think the idea of "winning now" is reflected in decisions that involve a balance between future planning and immediate dividends.

One-year, low-money veteran signings are obviously not longer-term plans, but in a lot of cases they're just as often done by teams planning for the future in order to put together a more coherent product and allow them to develop players that don't have to be on the field. You don't sign Chad Johnson because you think he'll win you many games, you sign Chad Johnson because you think he'll be decent and give you time to find or develop someone else.

 

It can matter. But as you say, when there's a trend as there is with Ireland I'm less inclined to think mitigating circumstances like rookie QBs and coaching changes are the main problem. And even if they are, that still might say something about the effectiveness of the GM. The Colts are playing a rookie QB and had a coaching change mid-season. They are doing well. Though to be fair, Luck may be a Marino-like freak.

 

I'd hoped my post was dripping in enough sarcasm to saturate the entire forum. I agree with you; Ireland is the one constant.

 

And now that's flipped the other direction, 50.7% think Ireland should be fired and 49.3% think he should be retained upon certain conditions.

Of course, that's also a mischaracterization. Only 32.9% think Ireland should be retained upon meeting certain conditions. The rest think he should be retained period.

IMO the reason it's a "hot topic" is because the minority (and I'm not sure what else you call 37 people versus 12) are extremely vocal.

 

Ireland's departure is long overdue. It's time to "go in another direction." Hopefully they bring in a hungry young GM...

 

Is this statement for real? I say the basis for my argument is the roster that Jeff Ireland built and you say it's a convenient excuse? I don't get it...

 

Who do you guys want as a new head coach if Ireland gets fired? I cant imagine a new GM getting hired and not wanting his HIS guy coaching the team.Ireland aint going anywhere unless you want to blow it up again and start from scratch.

 

It did. I just felt like responding anyway.

 

I'm not a huge Ireland fan, but I think thisorganization should benefit from some stability. Firing him and adding another GM and starting from scratch is the last thing this team needs. I feel they're in a damned if you do, damned if you don't scenario.

 

He'll be back.

 

It seems like every team has the worst GM in football. I for one changed my opinion of Ireland. We need more talent, but i think he will find that

 

A nice group of his rookies had a great game today as a colletive.