It's old stuff being dredged up again but apparently there's rumors of him coming back to the NFL. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/ncaaf...alyst-ron-jaworski-rips-165420059--ncaaf.html
Hate Nick Satan. I know a lot of Alabama/Dolphin fans love him because hes in Alabama, but im not one of them, and wishes he fails at everything he does.
"Fool me once"..... Any team ignoring this deserves what they get..... although I'd rather see him screwing up an NFL team than coaching Bama.
Better that he is in Alabama than in Miami. I wonder if he would sneak out of Alabama like he did in Miami? One of his famous press statements, I am not interested in Alabama and I am the coach of the Dolphins, or something to that effect. Sorry, but he helped to create the disaster that became the Miami Dolphins. Did he leave it in better shape than he found it in? NO!
In other words, you call dibs on thinking he's a world class *******. Anyone else who thinks so is misguided.
People complain about two things Nick Saban did: traded for Culpepper instead of signing Brees, and he spent a year denying Alabama rumors only to suddenly bolt for the nearest airport and go to Alabama.
Not to mention he sneaked out of town like a thief not wanting to acknowledge his departure or why he lied to everybody. Its difficult to forgive or forget lies.
I will be shocked if he comes back to the NFL. He can control the college player, but he 'doesnt know what to do when a player wont listen to him" in the NFL. He has close to a perennial power house in Ala. so I'm not so sure he will ever leave there. But maybe that's just me. '
In this day and age it's hard to acquire an elite quarterback. Really is. Those 'elite' guys mostly refer to the 6 or 7 quarterbacks who win all the games and most of the Super Bowls (Brady, Manning, Brees, Manning, Roethlisberger, Rodgers). Hard to acquire them and people who defend Jeff Ireland rightly point that out that he really hasn't had a shot at any of them so why do we complain so much about his handling of the QB position? It's a valid point. One thing you have to hand it to on Nick Saban is that he had a chance at not one, but TWO of those elite quarterbacks at a time when Miami sorely needed one...and he passed. Drew Brees and Aaron Rodgers. The Brees decision we all remember. Before certain individuals start bringing up my January 29th, 2000 scouting report on CB Ben Kelly, yes I fully admit that I was right with Nick Saban on the decision to pass on Brees in favor of Culpepper in 2006. But what pisses me off about it is they spoke with James Andrews, the leading orthopedic surgeon when it comes to NFL players. He did the work on Brees. It has since come out that the weekend before the final decision was made between Saban and Brees over the phone, Drew went for a progress check with Andrews. Prior to the check, Andrews didn't have a great prognosis for Drew. He'd had to put more attachments into the rotator cuff than he'd ever done before and he didn't know if it was going to take, and told this to people. After the checkup though, Andrews saw that it was healing properly and gave Brees a full 100% recovery prognosis. The Dolphins didn't care. They listened to 3rd party doctors that didn't do the work on Brees and didn't do the progress check. It's just sooooo Nick Saban to automatically toss out the prognosis of full recovery from the NFL's leading orthopedic surgeon because he's the one that did the work so naturally he must be lying about it. I can even imagine Saban's thought process on it, "Well naturally he's lying, I would lie if I were in his situation so why wouldn't he?" But before that, they had a chance at Aaron Rodgers in the 2005 NFL Draft. They needed a quarterback, many had LONG speculated the 49ers taking Rodgers at #1 overall. In fact I remember specifically that right up until draft day it was a secret which QB they were going to take, and that only a late-coming rumor started to circulate about a week before that Scott McCloughan loved Alex Smith more than Aaron Rodgers. It would later come out that Mike Nolan didn't like Rodgers' personality. But either way, hindsight specialists can talk all they want about oh well Rodgers fell so far through the draft it's stupid to just focus on one team passing on him blah blah blah. I don't buy it. Not only did Miami need a QB, but everyone (including NFL teams, and that's a fact that has been reported in the years after through interviews with NFL personnel executives) thought Rodgers would be going high. That was one of the reasons he fell, teams were caught without contingency plans if he fell to their pick and taking a QB in the 1st round is a special commitment. They weren't prepared to do it. Miami picked #2 overall, they knew damn well either Rodgers or Smith would fall to them. Oh and for all those people that care to bring up my scouting report on Corey "Crash" Jenkins from March 25th, 2003, yes I considered Aaron Rodgers the best player in the 2005 NFL Draft and said many times Miami should take him if the 49ers pass.
That was one of his biggest problems. That dictator mentality doesn't work in the NFL. Some of the stories of him trying to control people is insane, even office workers.
People are acting like he didn't perform a job in good faith here, and it's the same kind of bull**** with Bill Parcells. Trading for Culpepper instead of Brees was not a bad decision based on the information available. Nor did he spent even remotely close to a year denying it. He said the infamous quote about not going to be the Alabama coach December 21st, and at a certain point what's he supposed to do? He could have probably found a way to dissuade rumors without lying about it, but trying to prevent it from being a distraction from his team was the professional thing to do.
My criticism about the "I will not be the coach at Alabama" thing is two-fold 1. He shouldn't have wanted to go back to college, he should have been ready to follow through on his commitment to making things work in the NFL, 2. He shouldn't have lied, period It's a small request, really...to be a moral person. There were any number of ways he could have handled it that wouldn't have involved lying to the press directly. But there's really all kinds of indications he's given before and since that he's in your own words a world class *******.
Regardless of what he wanted, it's a business. He didn't violate any contracts or break any laws getting out, and expecting someone to show loyalty that virtually no one shows outside of a romanticized version of God only knows when is silly. Lying wasn't the best decision, but it's better than allowing it to be a distraction. That would have been a far bigger sin.
I think if Nick sticks with Miami, we would be a pretty damn good team right now. You don't have to like his personality but the guy would've been successful here if he had stayed IMO. Guys like him just refuse to be mediocre for long.
He may be an unlikeable coach of questionable character but he is an excellent college coach .He set the standards for todays SEC football and many in the SEC are copying his style.I really believe Urban Meyer quit because he realized that he would not be able to beat that system with gimmicky offenses. I did not think he was that bad of a pro coach.Had he chose Brees instead of Culpepper he may still be the Dolphin HC .He did have a penchant for SEC players thus the selection of Ronnie Brown and Allen .That was on him but largely he depended on other unworthy people to make the personnel decisions and that ultimately was his downfall. I hope he does go back to the NFL because I want him out of the SEC where he has been dominating.
Forgive me for being confused. Your statement, "but people bitter about the job he did here are misguided" did not specify.
He himself created the distraction. And then he lied directly and in black and white in order to clean up his own mess. I don't see why it's so unfair to criticize him for that. There are no romantic ideals of loyalty or will-you-take-a-bullet-for-me-bro. You make the jump to the NFL, you're making a commitment. If after two years it gets a little difficult and you're running away with your tail tucked between your legs, that's a negative. You shouldn't have made the decision to jump to the NFL.
I thought he did a pretty good job in the NFL with us, dude won 9 games with Gus Frerotte. Also the man can flat out coach defensive football.
There's grounds to be critical, but I don't know he had a lot of other options to get the Alabama job. I'm not sure Alabama would have waited for him to end the season without communications from him during the Dolphins season. His obligations, in the most immediate sense was to not provide distraction to the team regardless of his future, and it was an attempt to honorably discharge his responsibilities even if he meant to remove himself from them. He probably should not have flat out lied, but I'm not sure if there was a winning situation for him there. What is the nature of that commitment? Is he supposed to hold the job until he is fired or retires from coaching even if he doesn't like it?
It just seems natural that a snake oil salesman sell snake oil. His business ethics are a perfect match for the NCAA.
The commitment was a multi year contract and he left in the middle. Wayne chose to not have/not enforce any penalties for leaving but Saban still did not live up to his commintment. Just looked it up: 5 year contract: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/columns/story?columnist=pasquarelli_len&id=1953234
Gotta give it to Jaworski, he spoke the truth. I think Saban is in the right place, he can be a Football God and a Dictator in Alabama and he can recruit enough talent to compete for a title every year. If he goes to the NFL he needs to cherry pick the right job and really after the way he left Miami there are probably a lot of owners that don't have him on their short list. He is a dishonest person and it just proves the notion that all anyone cares about is winning because everyone knows what kind of person he is and he is worshiped in Alabama. Some local guys on the radio here (South Carolina SEC Country) talked one day about how his wife hated the NFL and loves the college coach lifestyle/campus lifestyle as well so I don't see him coming back anytime soon. Maybe if he continues to dominate and he wins a couple of more titles he will feel the need to win a Superbowl in the NFL but really he's in the perfect job for him, he's just not a honest enough person to deal with grown men. Anyone that thinks Miami fans have no real, rational reason to hate the guy is out of line, the way he left is enough for a Miami fan to hate the man.
Bags of cash and morally loose women tend to help land the talent. Saban bailed like a rat from a sinking ship from Miami IMO. I hope he gets the Browns job. By that time Texas will drop $10mm/year on his doorstep and he will show his true colors once again.
Isn't Saban's wife on the record saying something to the effect that the NFL would be a blessing due to the MNC or bust mentality in Tuscaloosa?
Eh, good football mind, no doubt about it. Question with Lil' Nicky is whether or not he has the character the job requires. His time in Miami says "nope" BUT the NFL is the land of the magical coach for fans.
we passed on aaron rodgers to pick Ronnie Brown.... it is just....too much, really.... (yes saban won 9 games with Frerotte as a QB.... very good coaching...but if that is the standard, we should made a statue to the guy that took us to the play off with Fieldler and won 10 or + games for 3 years ..... and we don't...)
Channing Crowder said they (the players) knew he wasn't truly with them from the first training camp, when he now famously stepped over a convulsing Jeno James, who was having a heat stroke, in the hallway and later tried explaining it away to them with equally cold BS. So he was a dictator -- which doesn't work in today's NFL -- whom the players didn't believe was with them. Not a good foundation. Yes he went 9-7 with Frerotte. But he followed it with 6-10 with a damaged Culpepper and Joey Harrington at the controls. And that's also because Saban had personnel control. And that power helped comprise a roster that went 1-15 a year after he left. One which Parcells declared had "4 players" upon arrival. Three of which were acquired by Cameron-Mueller. The Alabama thing was his creation and it became a distraction. His "I'm not gonna be the Alabama coach" line was preceded by, "I don't know how many times I have to answer this." and "why ya'll keep asking about." Because it'd been out there for a month. Because Mal Moore & Co weren't concerned about keeping it quiet. We read about and discussed it for weeks. And then he bolted. And as for his future prospects with Miami, I really have my doubts. I was at the monsoon-soaked Christmas night game in 2006 and saw his gutless, short-sighted approach first hand. Tough game vs the Jets, points at a premium. Dolphins finally get to the goal line late. 4th down, time to decide whether to kick the FG and tie or go for the TD. We're 6-8 and playing for pride. Crowd screaming for a shot at the endzone. Saban kicks the FG. And then Leon Washington returns the ensuing kickoff deep into Dolphins territory. Bleed the clock, kick the FG. Ballgame. Even with one foot out the door and only pride to play for, his approach was gutless self-preservation. Oh, and the building was "2 feet off the ground" when he left....referring to the level of elation experienced by team employees upon news of his departure. Just a miserable POS of a human bring. - sent from my Android device via Tapatalk -
How on earth a Miami Dolphins fan can come to the defense and make excuses for this POS human being is beyond me. Your post says it all in a nutshell.
I'm glad he's gone. He is a miserable and sorry excuse for a human being. But, I don't hold him responsible for the Alabama lie. He had no choice to lie. He couldn't admit to it because that would be a greater sin, because he would have let the team know he already gave up with games to play. In many ways, lying was the best thing he could for the players at the time actually. Regardless, **** that in his goat ***.
Yet if Huizenga decided he didn't like Saban, he could have fired him and likewise suffered financial penalties to do so, and you would have considered that inappropriate?
