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Deadly Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Sleepy, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    That's your defense? "That house thingamabob aint workable". Back to the drawing board I guess.
     
  2. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Have you actually READ the Constitution? Yeah back to the drawing board. Think of the far reaching implications of such a law. What constitutes a household?
     
  3. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Why is some people's reaction to always pass more crappy unworkable laws?
     
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  4. Laces Out

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    Cool! I get all the black powder I can use with those right? Because with the right equipment I now have something exponentially more lethal than the musket you said I could have.

    EDIT: the musket would just be my key to entry where I would want the carnage to occur

    Please not that these are not actions I want to take, they are just natural steps people could take given the solution offered. Mods, if this post crossed the line I understand if it needs to be deleted, and I will take my lumps as necessary.
     
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  5. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Ban box cutters! They were used in the 9/11 hijackings!
     
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  6. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    And you my friend, suck at reading comprehension. Did you even read what came after I said ban all guns? The word "except" and then I listed the types of guns that I think should be legal.


    Here, I'll repost my post so you can have another look at it.

    There, see, I didn't propose banning all guns, just the ones that didn't exsist 230 years ago when the 2nd amendment was written.
     
  7. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Too bad the criminals won't care about your little exception. Also too bad the Constitution is an ageless document.
     
  8. Sethdaddy8

    Sethdaddy8 Well-Known Member

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    Yeah, cause 1 little **** can kill 28 people with a paper cutter. I love the slippery slope argument.

    No don't ban knives or paper cutters or paper that causes paper cuts.

    And I never said to ban guns in the dirt place.
     
  9. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    Heavilly taxed powder, and you're limited to the amount you can purchase in a year.
     
  10. Ronnie Bass

    Ronnie Bass Luxury Box Luxury Box

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    Get off your pedestal and shut up, if there is a bigger tool on these forums than you I have yet to see them. Worst poster.
     
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  11. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Here you go: of course you will ignore it:

    http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osaka_school_massacre
     
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  12. Sumlit

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    Very nice evade there. Good job. Ban all guns, except those that nobody has, and those who have, don't use. Cool idea. Yeah you're right, that is not the same as banning all guns.
    Guess what though, you still have the same problem I outlined.
     
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  13. Laces Out

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    What's your limit? Is the limit per person or per weapon? Are you going to be able to check that I am actually using my allotment yearly?

    EDIT: cannons were used in that era, can I have one of those?
     
  14. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    This is sure getting complicated. Never mind, I will just get my guns other ways than under this law--along with everyone else.
     
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  15. jupiterfin

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    I love you too Ronnie. Merry Christmas to you and yours.
     
  16. jupiterfin

    jupiterfin Mild Irritant

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    I didn't evade anything, but that's a great lead in for your strawman argument.

    To be determined.

    Complicated? Lol, have you read laws made buy the US legislature?! What's complicated is trying to reason why anybody NEEDS a semi automatic rifle, unless they're making up for having a tiny dick.
     
  17. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    It would take the cops fifteen minutes to respond to a home invasion at my house. How should I protect my wife and daughters? With a single shot musket?
     
  18. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Yes, yes I have. That is why I don't believe in laws helping much. They never solve the original problem and they restrict the freedoms of actual law-abiding citizens.
     
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  19. jupiterfin

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    Well, you get 1 shot right away, so make it a good one. If you miss, grab one of the other 4 you're guns allowed to own under my plan, if that doesn't work, stab him with the bayonette, or, stab him with a knife, use a pipe, candlestick, wrench or go old fashioned and use your fists, take a self defense class that teaches you hand to hand combat. There are ways around everything, people just need to stop being lazy.

    Where do you live that it takes 15 minutes for the cops to respond to a home invasion? And, how many times has your home been invaded? I've never had my home invaded, so I don't know what it's like.
     
  20. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    I have an idea crashingjet. If you agree to accept whatever happens to someone victimized by a criminal in your perfect society, I will agree to whatever you propose in gun control since we will be so safe. So, intruder rapes my daughters (since I was unable to protect them), you get the same treatment. How much do you believe in gun control now?
     
  21. eltos_lightfoot

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    And this is why city folk shouldn't be passing laws for rural states. Wow.
     
  22. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    The criminals will have assault rifles. I will die before i could use my dated martial arts skills. And my daughters? Yeah not good.
     
  23. Sumlit

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    Again, you show your citizen card to fantasy world. Answer this genius. What is the criminal has an illegal firearm? My 1 shot musket, my fists, a pipe, a knife, my 6 hands to hold all those weapons, by weapons bagpack to carry them. All that vs a semi-automatic gun illegally acquired by the criminal. Yeah, i stand a good chance to defend my family.
     
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  24. Laces Out

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    You say lazy, some say cautious. Are you game to go into a fight holding your dick in your hands with a criminal who already gives zero ****s about the law and could be carrying a weapon?
     
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  25. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Exactly. He still hasn't accepted my proposal to get the same treatment as any victim under these stupid laws.
     
  26. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Personally, I think gun control laws are sexist. They don't want women to be able to defend themselves against assailants.
     
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  27. jupiterfin

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    You act like the ONLY way you could ever protect yourself is with a gun. That's pathetic. I have never needed a gun once in my life, I protect myself just fine living in the "city".

    City folk lol. So uh, in your rural area, home invasions are a big problem? When did the last one occur?

    You're another one, a pistol or semi auto rifle is the ONLY way you can protect yourself? Man up.

    Every single day I leave my house unarmed, and I've never come into a situation that you're proposing. So yes, I am prepared, however, I won't be holding my dick, I'll be using my fists and smarts.

    I haven't accepted a proposal by you? Refresh my memory.

    You know what's a stupid law? That you're allowed to buy a semi auto rifle that has zero purpose except mass killing.
     
  28. Sethdaddy8

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    If there was some magic law or regulation that would prevent this it would have been implemented after the Columbine shooting in 99. If not then certainly after the Virginia Tech shooting. There are a lot of people here and a lot of guns in the US. There have been a lot of guns since the beginning. Assault rifles have been around for quite some time now but this mass shooting problem has been around for only the past decade and some change. I'd like to say our culture is becoming more violent but it's always been violent. I wish I could figure out why more people have decided to slaughter innocents in public places for no reason in the last few years. People are arguing that crazies would be reduced to knives or something of the sort if they didn't have a gun. Not necessarily true. Ask the terrorists, bombs are an even more quick and efficient killer than guns. Thanks to our terrorist enemies it is getting easier and easier for a normal person to find out how to make bombs out of normal stuff you can buy.
     
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  30. Sumlit

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    Ah you're right, as always. I face a potential armed assailant. Let's pump some iron and take a self defense class. Problem solved!
     
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  31. eltos_lightfoot

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    My home was only entered by a drunk who was lost once, I asked him to leave and he did. However, home invasions are like molestations how many do you want to experience? What do the elderly do in your scenario? Single women? What about my family when I am gone for work? We live 11 miles from the nearest police station. Evidently we aren't all as tough as you sorry tough guy.

    The sad part is that you don't understand that semi automatic rifles are also used for self defense and hunting? Yes people here still hunt for food, and someone nearby had to kill a mountain lion stalking his kid. Guess your fists would have worked instead.
     
  32. Laces Out

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    My tazer, knife, pepper spray and gun win every time.

    Are you fine with a bolt action rifle with a 10 round magazine?
     
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  33. slickj101

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    Well this thread's really gotten more intelligent in the last 7 pages :lol:
     
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  34. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    These people have clearly no experience with firearms. When did our nation become so wussy and risk-averse?
     
  35. slickj101

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    I'd say just uninformed and pretentious.
     
  36. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    Hahahha!
     
  37. eltos_lightfoot

    eltos_lightfoot Well-Known Member

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    I can live with that characterization.
     
  38. Sumlit

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    In all honesty i'm not opposed to increase in gun control, specially concerning automatic rifles. However people need to understand a few things.

    Firstly, more laws will not prevent tragic incidents like yesterday's. When someone decides to go to a school and massacre 20 children, no law has any hope of preventing such a calamity.
    Secondly, more laws have the potential of getting a positive effect in gun related regular crimes like armed assault, gang violence, armed robbery, etc. But more laws also have an elastic effect. Meaning there comes a point where more laws simply wont do anything at all anymore.
    Which leads me to the third point. More laws ultimately have the greatest effects on law abiding citizens. Only law abiding citizens respect the law enough to adhere to it, and so, only law abiding citizens will be bogged down by the bureaucracy and roadblocks of increased gun control.

    Finally, gun ban is just plain stupid. Any attempt to ban guns in order to solve gun related problems, will just have the adverse effect of making things much, much worse.
     
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  39. Sethdaddy8

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    Over a decade actually.
     
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  40. Sethdaddy8

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    Gun bans will never happen. You can't do anything to bullets either. Too easy to make, press... But gun show reform is so easy to address. And some state laws can beef up protocol.

    Nothing is fool proof, but that doesnt mean measures and equalizers shouldn't be attempted.

    And as I have said elsewhere, they should put a cop in every school. 180 days a year, few extra shifts per precinct. 31 school shootings since Columbine is too many. Create jobs, add cops, give innocent kids an equalizer. Our kids have the right to be safe in school. It's the small quiet ans "safe" towns that need protecting.

    Edit: and I say small and safe towns because this kid wouldn't have gotten a shot off at an already armed school where police have a presence in more dangerous urban areas.
     

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