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Deadly Shootings At Connecticut Elementary School

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Sleepy, Dec 14, 2012.

  1. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    I would be interested in knowing where this could happen without going thru a licensed dealer? It can't happen concerning guns. Now ammo is a different matter but one that is also expensive and regulated to a point.
     
  2. slickj101

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    Didn't know that. You'd think the FBI could take some time off from watching Facebook to see a 6k round transaction.
     
  3. 305

    305 Brawndo Club Member

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    Get off my lawn.
    These arguments drive me f'n insane. This is a tragedy that could not have been avoided. Those who argue in favor of banning guns... We outlawed alcohol, how'd that work out? We outlawed drugs, hows that working out? If you ban any type of firearms from people, you take the majority out of the hands of law abiding citizens. The others that have no remorse for the law will simply find other means of getting a fire arm, empowering cartels and other crooked entities. This is a sad sad event, however I will continue to cling to my guns and religion.

    **Just to add before I get lambasted for my views.... restrictions regarding gun shows, training, etc, I can agree with that... but the war on hand guns and semi automatic rifles I will not...
     
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  4. And I quote:

    Are you not saying that increased gun restrictions could of prevented this tragedy? I only asked what new restrictions you thought could be implimented to of averted it.
     
  5. gafinfan

    gafinfan gunner Club Member

    It appears I spoke to soon concerning blowing kids up.

    A farmer covered that back in 1927 killing double the amount of children just slain.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bath,_Michigan

    Also let us not forget the Oklahoma bombing which also killed the children at the day care there.
     
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  6. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Hold on there, what in the world do gunshows have to do with anything that happened in this tragedy?
     
  7. The death count would of been much higher if all the dynamite had detonated in the 1927 bath school massacre. He was a real nut job. He lost his fortune, blamed the town, and decided to kill an entire generation off for revenge. He also killed his wife and burned his house down, while the firemen were putting out the fire he drove down to the school to see that detonation. When he got there he blew up himself in his car too. The sick bastard packed the backseat of his car with nails and metal objects to tack out as many people as he could. Oh did I mention his home was also rigged with dynamite but the fireman found it before the fire reached it or they would of been killed too. He did use a gun to detonate his carbomb in the school parking lot. I guess stricter gun laws would of forced him to find a different detonation device.

    Lets not forget about Jimmy Jones killing of 900 people, 300 of which were children, using koolaide and cyanide
     

  8. What I want to know is if any of these weapons were purchased through the fast and furious program. Maybe they all did not go south to mexico.
     
  9. Ronnie Bass

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    Tom Brokaw ‏@tombrokaw
    It is not enough to talk about access to guns. We also have to address a popular culture that treats graphic violence as routine


    Thank you Tom! Been saying this repeatedly the last 24+ hours. The gun laws keep getting tougher but the epidemic continues, until we address the real reason why young adults are raging and lost these massacres won't stop.
     
  10. padre31

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    There is another unsaid in all of this Rb, America for under 25 yr olds is very much a fame/celeb culture, it doesn't matter (via moral relativism) HOW one becomes famous, it just matters that they do become (in)famous.

    Chatting with a young female friend last evening about all of this and she could not bring herself to call this turd an evil bastard, seemed fairly obvious to me, to her though that sort of moralism was lost in the miasma of not being able to judge others no matter what they did.

    This is one of the reasons why, imo, such people should not have their name used very often if at all, it only feeds into that sort of sickness.
     
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  11. Ronnie Bass

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    Something needs to give here, problem is I fear the MSM will protect Hollywood and the video game makers from their deserved criticism in all this and instead focus on the guns and the NRA. In other words the only thing that will change are tougher gun laws and the blood baths will continue.
     
  12. padre31

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    For me, I don't blame those things, tens of millions of people use them every day and do not commit such atrocities.

    Perhaps a sort of "psychological hold"' could be placed on such folks as they are discovered to prevent them from obtaining firearms?

    Then again, they were his mothers, but that wackjob Co guy was clearly going through problems, once treated the hold could be lifted?

    Just tossing it out there.
     
  13. Ronnie Bass

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    Pads, it definitely plays a part, just because millions of others don't act out despite their desensitization to violence don't mean certain individuals won't. That logic never flies with me, I bet when they release the name of the games he played it won't surprise me one bit.
     
  14. Stringer Bell

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    Put me in the camp that thinks assault rifles such as the one used here should be illegal.

    I realize banning assault rifles won't prevent these type of massacres entirely. I absolutely do believe that it can make them rarer and reduce casualties.
     
  15. Sethdaddy8

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    They don't, that's where the Columbine kids armed themselves.
     
  16. Sumlit

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    I don't believe the shooter used assault rifles here. He used two Glock handguns for the shooting, with plenty of ammo. He did have an assault rifle, but it was found inside the trunk of his car.
     
  17. Sethdaddy8

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    I think they found .223 casings. I've heard so many close but not quite accurate info tho.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Medical examiner today said that the primary weapon was the rifle.
     
  19. Ronnie Bass

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    If we ever can get rid of assault rifles, do you grandfather in the ones they are already owned legally? Because I bet some owners would be willing to put up a bloody fight before they let the government take their guns.

    Assault rifles is the one area I differ from with my fellow conservatives, get rid of these things or just keep them in the army.
     
  20. Vinny Fins

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    the final thing I need to say on this topic for now: I took out my calculator. Since 9/10/01, gun violence has killed 334,228 Americans. The fiscal cost spent on lobbying for gun control: 1.8million dollars. Since 9/10/01, 9,602 Americans have died as victims of or fighting terror. The fiscal cost of fighting that war is $1,403,335,206,023. That's prioritizing. Those Moose-lim fanatics are the ones we have to stop even if it means trampling the constitution (but NOT THE SECOND AMENDMENT!), right 'Merica?
     
  21. padre31

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    That is America slick.
     
  22. padre31

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    And yet, "handguns!!!" are the cause.
     
  23. padre31

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    I don't mainly b/c "assault rifles" are most certainly not available to the public.
     
  24. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    I seriously hope you just ****ing leave this site someday.

    You quote? Do you now?

    You cut the sentence off, then grill me about what I meant when yopu purposely left it off the quote. This is why you're a piece of crap and 90% of the reason that threads you're involved in turn into a *****-fest. You purposely misrepresent what people say just so you can be a holier than thou d-bag. **** you.
     
  25. Well you certainly put me in my place, too bad you still have not answered my question. I'll just assume its because the question is too complex for you and your too ignorant to formulate an intelligent response. I will move on. Trying to have any sort of intelligent dialog with you in an exercise in futility.
     
  26. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I blame parents the most, all problems start at home first and foremost.....but these ridiculous shows that are on TV nowadays aren't suitable for young kids, and young adolescents to be viewing, coupled with parents who don't give a ****...it definitely contributes to the overall glorification of shi$ty overall behavior you see in the younger generations.....
     
  27. finyank13

    finyank13 Reality Check

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    I also read a report that this kid tried to buy a rifle a week ago and was denied, so there's that too...

    Again the northeast has in my opinion the model of what gun laws should be under the law...you aren't coming here and getting what you want when you want....they again under the current laws do all they can to make checks....

    so he got 2 handguns and the .223 from his mother and unfortunately she either didn't have them properly secured in a gun safe, or she did and the kid knew the code/key get in it.....both which are unfortunate....
     
  28. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Goddamit.
    I answered it before you asked it. Again:

    like for gun shows.
    like for gun shows.
    like for gun shows.
    like for gun shows.
    like for gun shows.

    5 times. Can you read?
     
  29. Lets try this again

    I asked you what new restrictions your in favor of

    your reply was that you did not say you wanted any new restrictions

    I showed you your post where you said you wanted new restrictions and yes I left off the end of that sentence because you said like gun shows. Thats not saying you wanted only restrictions on gun shows changed just that was one area you saw a need for change. Telling me that does not answer my question.

    If you dont want to answer my question, then dont. Stop telling me I cant read. My reading is fine. What I want to know is what restrictions you would add to buying a gun, if the only thing you would change involves gun shows, fine, but what about them would you change and why? I dont know what the big deal is here I am trying to understand your postion. Just explain it to me or if you dont want to I will move on. At this point I am barely interested in your opinion if at all anymore.
     
  30. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    No I didn't deny anything. You can't ****ing read.

    After reading my post, you asked what restrictions I'm talking about. That was annoying because A) you had attitude and B) you glanced over like for gun shows.

    To which i responded with:
    You'll notice, I didn't deny a ****ing thing.

    You clearly have a problem, correct it before you engage others in discussion, cause it is ridiculous and it has gone on for years here.
     
  31. Laces Out

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    To be clear, you want the same rules for gun shows as gun stores?

    Are there any regulations that you would add to the current process? Like a waiting period? Or additional fees? Or even as it has been suggested(I don't agree FTR, just an example) that mental issues of others in the house should be considered?
     
  32. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Yeah, it shouldn't be any different buying a gun at a gun show then it is from a gun store.
     
  33. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Have they started the routine "Let's blame the movies/video games/music" thing yet on Cable News channels that they always do? Easy rebuttal:

    1. Video games come from Japan, the safest and one of the most peaceful countries in the world.
    2. I'm pretty sure Hitler & the nazis, the KKK, slave owners, Charles Manson, Ted Bundy, Son of Sam, Jack the ripper, the church during the Crusades/Inquisition...you get the idea, all didn't have action movies & games.
     
  34. Laces Out

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  35. Dolphins1Beatles

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    Read that before, its so true. I remember taking psychology courses and watching videos of people with personality/mental disorders and some can be really freaky. One which was a little less freaky was a woman who would think the CIA/secret service were after her one week, then she'd be fine the next week. And that is one of the less extreme ones.

    He should've been in a mental institution, not a house with guns in it. There's a big stigma though. Families who can afford it don't want to put them in there for whatever reason. But this whole shooting would have been prevented if he was in one. Mental health will probably continue to get swept under the rug though.
     
  36. padre31

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    No worries DiFi has already introduced yet another "assualt weapon ban"

    How nice.
     
  37. Bpk

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    Word choices reveal our emotions about an issue. I think even pro gun people, at some level, have reached a place of what they know is emotional attachment to their guns. All the rational arguments serve to protect the emotional attachment, which really is the prime motivator.

    This is what makes it such an emotionally charged issue and argument.

    I don't mean to make you feel attacked. I just think that the emotional feeling around gun ownership needs to be what is discussed. Guns make some people feel unsafe, but other people ONLY frel safe with guns. Until we address this fact and solve the emotional part, there will be little room for pro and anti factions to even want to find a compromise.
     
  38. Bpk

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    Btw, some pro gun people don't identify with the image of guns making them "feel safe" (not manly enough) so may consider it more about feeling empowered and powerful and capable of defending themselves.

    Still all about creating a feeling of safety for oneself, from a root fear of being unsafe.

    This is what all of us, pro and anti gun, have in common.

    We all want to feel safe. We just think different methods will give us that.
     
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  39. JasonG

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    I usually just lurk on here for team info and the game day threads. Reading through this thread and there's a bit of a misconception about gun show sales. Dealers at gun shows have to go through the same NICS background check and the same form 4473 that a normal gun shop would have to go through. Private sales by individuals, depending on the state, don't always require an NICS check. These types of transactions don't need a gun show to follow through though.
     
  40. Two Tacos

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    Source your numbers please. Are you counting suicides?

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