Does this change your opinion of Jeff Ireland? it does for me...maybe.

There is a reason why Holmes went so cheap and Marshall didn't. Marshall is highly regarded as one of the best in the league. Holmes had only one season over 1000 yards at that time. Yes, Marshall is an idiot but to me they should have waited and brought his replacement in before or at the same time of the trade. Waiting for a while does not guarantee anything but it's worth the shot to get more. They absolutely did not HAVE to trade him.

 

It's my favorite thing to do on Sundays in the winter...rail saggy boobed women with dirty flip flops and bruises all over their pale legs. I mean why not? Not like I have any meaningful Dolphins games too watch until next September.

 

Washington can work short and deep. He offers dynamic talent. I will take him over Meachem (I realize he is an example) all day. You are underrating his talent.

 

.... yes, which is why we got a lot more than just a 5th for him. If he were a model player we would've gotten higher. How much do you believe his trade stock should've be reduced for the issues he had and we had with him? At his salary cost, without any mitigating circumstances involved he's probably worth a pair of 2nd rounders, so to me, a reduction to 2 third rounders looks about fair.

 

Well, 10 bucks will only get you so far, my friend.

 

Talent trumps everything Phins.

If a guy has potential, it trumps everything he did. TDs aren't important, only yards. Model citizen...who effing cares? Nothing hurts locker rooms because they are bomb shelters wrapped in carbon fiber.. The only thing that matters is what a guy may do on the field, even over what he actually did on the field. Marshall. Marshall. Marshall.

He made us a better team!!!!!!! He was the team!!!!!!!!! It doesn't matter that our record wasn't better or our offense wasn't better.....Marshall!!!!!!!!!!!!

Marshall!!!!!!

 

He didn't look good, here in camp.

 

10 bones got me a very happy ending at Fin Ds house.

 

You're just lucky FinD has such low self-esteem.

 

He hate Me...And He Is Me.

 

Did you ever stop to ask why your wife was here in the first place?

 

Rock Bottom? that was hit in 2007.

 

b/c you selflessly charge a minimal pimp fee?

 

Silly Rabbit, tricks ain't for free.

 

I don't think I'm underrating Washington's talent. I like him a lot. I'm reacting solely to the proposed combination, not the individual players.

 

I don't know, IMO, during 3 receiver sets we'd be fine with Maclin & Hartline mixing it up in the slot <due to their versatility> with the other playing on the outside opposite Washington. I think we would've been much more flexible and with greater potential to create matchup problems.

 

A 2 for Maclin is a garbage deal. He's done nothing to this point in his career to warrant a 2 in return. I had no problem getting rid of Marshall but you mean we would have payed about as much as for Maclin (a 2nd which as it turns out will be a pick between 40-46 in all likelihood) as we would have received to get rid of Marshall who is a far better player? I was happy as heck Marshall was gone but hes flat out MUCH BETTER then Maclin on the field. Maclin is one of the worst starting receivers in the league. Hes fast but other then that he adds nothing to the mediocre core of wr's we have already. And hes hurt like every other week.

 

Again, they did not have to make that trade right then and there. My point is they should have had a deal in place or already done, to replace him. He was not replaced and sent packing.

 

There goes dingaling flip flopping again! Hartline is fine with one Td but Marshall should have had 30.


Oh yeah, and you always seem to fail at reading the part where almost every poster has said (over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over) that they have no problem with them trading Marshall. Just replace him because putting Hartline in his spot is not even close to replacing Marshall.

 

The "Professional" came into camp out of shape and lazy. It was a team message sent at the expense of Davis IMO. There may also be more to it, we just are on the outside looking in. Maybe it wasn't even the conditioning. Maybe he was viewed as an under achiever. Could have been they just were not high on the guy. Hard to say, we don't know other then what we saw on TV.

 

Lets give him a pat on the back FOR almost completing a deal.

No thanks you don't trade Marshall unless you have a sure thing in place for his departure.

 

maybe the sure thing was his departure, ?

 

What will change my opinion of Ireland is if we win out, if not then he is on the bubble/could go either way imo.

Another 7-9 with this roster is not progress.

 

To the poster saying only winning out should 'save' Ireland, beating NE will only matter if they are not resting starters

 

As a GM, he failed to acquire a supporting cast for his qb. So plan A was Maclin and plan B was Chad Johnson? That's terrible strategic planning. Where was the contingency plan failing Maclin? Poor planning for a guy in a position of authority like that deserves his position to be questioned.

 

Get me Ryan Clady, Greg Jennings or Mike Wallace in FA and you can stay Ireland. Spend draft picks on CBs and DT(If Starks goes)

 

Couldn't agree more... lousy Buckeye fan...

Seriously though.... I agree with trading away the man... Brandon Marshall... because, he's... well, a bit unstable. However, you can replace the man, but you HAVE TO replace the talent... That's what we failed to do. With an already weak unit, you just can't settle for Ochocinco, and Legedu Naanee. You just cant. Especially if you expect to start a rookie QB, and actually want to give him some help on the field.

So, no... an attempted trade doesn't change my opinion. If anything, it makes it worse, since he recognized the need (which is a good thing), but ultimately at the end of the day, he still failed to address it accordingly. That's the problem.

 

That's all well and good, but what does that have to do with Lamar Gordon??

 

There are not an unlimited number of moves a GM can make.

Marshall had to go, whether he was replaced or not. Chemistry is way more important for Philbin as a rookie HC.

He talks in the Monday PC about honoring the 72ers. He was asked what is the thing that he sees about them that made them great, his answer was chemistry. He said they still have that chemistry with each other today.

So Marshall has to go and Ireland apparently tried to fill the spot with 2 trades (possibly more), CJ, Nannee, draft picks, rookie FAs, regular FAs....... I know you wanted him to convince Detroit of getting rid of Megatron for $3 and a bag of Doritos........

 

What exactly would you have him do? Offer an entire draft for one WR? If people aren't selling the only way to convince them is severely overpay. Be reasonable.

 

Chemistry, whatever the hell it means, is the most overrated, nonsensical aspect of sports. It's something that you come back to when you don't have an answer for why something did or didn't work.

The '72 Dolphins were an incredibly talented with multiple hall of famers and a hall of fame coach at the absolute height of his coaching prowess. I'm sure they had good chemistry because they won a lot. but that had nothing to do with why they actually won the games. Much like our guys seem to have great chemistry now, yet it hasn't helped a bunch.

You need talent to win. There is no "addition by subtraction".

We traded Marshall not because of chemistry. In fact, Marshall got along well with basically everybody on the team. They were concerned somewhat correctly that he wouldn't be available due to suspension.

 

Seriously, these people that say Ireland did nothing to try an fill the "Marshall hole" remind of this joke:

A guy is in a boat in the middle of the ocean and it springs a leak. Just that moment, a cruise ship comes up and calls down:

Cruise Ship Crew: Need any help?
Man: No thank you, the Lord will save me.

Later the water is to his waist and ski boat comes along:

Ski Boat Captain: Need any help?
Man: No thank you, the Lord will save me.

Later still and the water is up to his chin, when a helicopter flies overhead:

Helicopter Pilot: Need any help?
Man: No thank you, the Lord will save me.

So the guy drowns. He goes to Heaven and meets God:

Man: I've devoted my whole life to you. I lived by your example and did everything you've ever asked me. Why God....why didn't you save me?
God: What the hell do want from me, I sent two boats and a helicopter?

 

Except you're wrong.

Watch interviews about the 72 season. They'll tell you after letting each other down in 71, they were able to accomplish what they did. They said that each guy in the locker room was so upset about letting their teammates they were literally driven to achieve greatness.

Acting like chemistry isn't a thing let alone important, is by far the most ridiculous argument you've ever made. I guess there's no such thing as a locker room cancer either?

And no Marshall didn't get along with everyone.

 

Yeah, they didn't want to let each other down. And they had the talent to win. If they hadn't then their desire not to let each other down wouldn't have made any difference.

And no, I don;t believe in "chemistry" or "locker room cancers" any more than I believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny. Those are things you blame when you are losing. Talent trumps everything in sports.

Bad locker room guys have been part of championship teams in every sport. Ron artest, the worst of thw worst, has been on multiple championship teams and championship contenders. Same with a guy like Rasheed Wallace.

Randy Moss and TO were only problems and "locker room cancers" when their teams weren't winning. TO was funny until the team started losing, then all of a sudden it was his fault and he was a "cancer"

So, no, farthest thing from being the dumbest thing I've ever said here (and there has been much, I'm sure) this is the wisest. Teams that have enough talent typically win. Then when you win you go on and on about what great chemistry there was, about how they guys went out for beers every night, etc. If those teams lose then it's "they were going out too much", "need some real "leaders" out there"

 

No-one expected to start a rookie QB.

You want some of the fans here to be reasonable....that's funny.

 

Sigh.

If talent is all that matters, why do coaches care about chemistry?

 

Because coaches are prone to the same kind of silly beliefs as everyone else.

I'm not suggesting that having a team full of criminals is a good thing, but it's lack of reliability/availability that's more a problem than chemistry.

 

That makes no sense.

The team has to function as a...get this...team. The better the individuals operate as a whole the better the team plays. You can not have a well oiled machine*without chemistry.

 

Of course it makes sense.

A football team functions as a team when each individual player does their job. It doesn't matter whether or not they like each other, or have beers together, or care about each other. If you have enough talent, and that talent performs, you will win games.

Look at the Eagles. There is going to be a lot of talk about how they have no chemistry, etc. but the fact is, the talent that they had just didn't perform, and wasn't put into a position to perform by the coaches. When you're losing it's much easier to blame nebulous things like chemistry rather than just to simply say that you did a bad job identifying the right talent, the talent didn't perform and the coaches weren't well prepared

 

Player after player talk about how important chemistry is. What do they know right?