I was thinking about this recently. When the Phins drafted Tannehill with the #8 pick, my main objection was that i felt he was not worthy of a #8 pick on account of his rawness. However thinking about it, and assuming he would have had the same numbers this year, as he had his last college season, where would Ryan Tannehill be ranked in this draft? It is interesting, because he could arguably be the #1 QB prospect in this draft. Geno Smith is the default #1 QB prospect and likely #1 overall pick in the draft. Would Tannehill be above him? I think he could.
I think Tannehill would be. I've made an argument for Miami to draft him last year comparing him to the last few draft classes: 2012: Luck, Griffin, Tannehill, Weeden 2011: Newton, Locker, Gabbert, Ponder (All 3 other QBs had questions. Would say that Tannehill would have gone a little after Newton) 2010: Bradford, Tebow (Bradford was getting pub. Doubtful Tannehill would have gone before him, but clearly is the #2 QB in this draft) 2009: Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman (Think if he went in this draft, Tannehill would be a Jet) 2008: Ryan, Flacco (Ryan wasn't an elite QB. Quite possible Tannehill could have been in the conversation for 1st QB off the board) 2007: Jamarcus Russel, Brady Quinn (Think most media pundits would rank Tanny over Russel, though who knows what Davis would do) 2006: Young, Leinart, Cutler (Hard to say where he'd rank here. Probably between Young and Leinart. Though all these guys were even) 2005: Smith, Rodgers, Campbell (Think Tannehill would have gone 1st off the board here) 2004: Manning, Rivers, Big Ben, Losman (Think he'd be ranked between Rivers and Ben here. Forgot Losman went 1st round!) 2003: Palmer, Leftwhich, Boller, Grossman (He'd be right after Palmer. Top 3-5 pick easily) 2002: Carr, Harrington, Ramsey (Was a little guy during this draft... Don't quite remember. Would he have gone over Carr?) Overall, the history of the draft classes the last ten years indicates that he could have gone 1st four times possibly. Though I think the only other class he'd be the 3rd QB taken, would be in the Eli, Rivers draft class. As for the 2013 class, it's kind of hard to tell right now, since the draft buzz is the reason Tannehill rose so high in the same place, so who knows who gets hype within the next few months. As of now, seeing how Tannehill has looked and seeing how lackluster the QB class seems early on... There's no way I'd trade Tannehill for anybody in this draft class.
The big disagreement I have with your opinion here is the 2004 draft. That's probably the best draft for QB's since 83 until this year... Big Ben was pretty highly rated after the all star game. I don't think Tannehill would have been rated above him. 4th there.
Yeah i see that now. I thought he had potential but was not ready, and we were reaching by taking him at #8. I'm glad i was very wrong.
I seem to remember Ben having a lot of question marks as well. Obviously, hindsight shows how great Roethlisberger was though. I'd think it would be a debate anyway..
The best thing about Tannehill so far IMO is that you can already say his floor is high enough that he can be a starter in the NFL and perform at least at the level of the game manager. His awareness, decision-making, and command of the offense are clearly that good IMO. I think it's too early to tell how high his ceiling is, but his floor is already at the level of the game manager, and you can't say that about every QB in his rookie season. Look at how John Beck performed, for example, or even Jamarcus Russell (#1 overall). Guys like that have a floor so low they can't even be starters. They lose too many games for you to even be game managers.
If the Chiefs hold onto the #1 pick, they wouldn't hesitate a moment drafting Tannehill #1 had he stayed IMHO.
IMO he's more a winner than Rivers and has a better head on his shoulders. His upside scenario to me seems at Eli Manning. In the same way Peyton, Brady, Rodgers, and Brees are the top 4 with Eli nipping on their heels, I think the next wave once Rodgers is done will be Luck, Griffin, Stafford and Tannehill with Ryan, Wilson, and Freeman right behind him.
What is everyone thinking? Eli was on a team that won two superbowls but he is nowhere nipping at the Elite's heels. Eli is too inconsistent and throws way too many INTs. Nobody would argue they won the superbowl because of Eli. Guy has a lifetime rating of 82 and in the best year hits 93. Starting in week 7 he went a whole month where he threw 1 TD (yes I said 1) and 6 INTs. Last week 0 TD, 2 INTs. Eli is not elite, he's nowhere near elite, he's just occasionally good, esp. in the playoffs. There is no Eli in Elite. Ok there is but you know what I mean
Clutch doesn't equal elite. And you only say "last year." What about the year before, and the year after? And the year before the year before, and the year before that? And seeing as he only threw 29 TDs all year you're telling me he threw 13 TDs through the first 3 quarters? That's the definition of elite now?
Yea, I don't see Eli as elite. I think he's in the second tier with Rivers, Schaub, Ryan and maybe other QBs I'm forgetting. I would be pretty happy if Tannehill ends up in that category but for now I'm holding out hope he's the next Aaron Rodgers.
I agree, and those who are against it, i don't get it, who could we have drafted that would made our team that much better? Tannehill was the best pick at #8, we got a need that we needed, and if we didn't, and Moore led us to 8-8, who would we get this year? We would still be looking for our franchise QB, and that persons not in this year draft. So another year of 8-8 and all the top QBs are taken, until we regress again Also how is Eli not Elit? seriously have you seen the two super bowls he won? 2007 he had to go on the road and beat a decent Bucs team, a good Cowboy team, that had the Giants number all season, and a great Packer team, who had Brett Favre and looked like the clear favorite to go to the super bowl team, then he had to play the best team ever. 18-0 New England Patriots. He went in as a 12 point dog and had the greatest drive in Super Bowl history to win the super bowl. Then last year, did the same thing, Won all their games on the road, beat a great Falcon team, the heavy favorite Packer team, and beat the New England Patriots on another final drive. How is that not Elite?
I would take him over any QB that's going to be available in the '13 draft, and considering if we didn't take him last year we'd probably still be looking this year (unless we happened to rate Wilson higher than Seattle) then we definitely chose right.
Naa. He's in the second tier. The decline just dropped him from one of the elite's to a second tier QB. And of all the QBs in the second tier, he's the best bet to get to the elite tier considering he was once one. If he's not a second tier QB, neither is Eli.
he was never elite...you know I was right about his decline, if you can't admit that, then your just being stubborn...it was all there to see, the weaknesses...years ago.
I don't see how anyone can say Rivers wasn't an elite QB at one point. I guess it depends on your definition of elite. He was certainly one of the top five to seven guys at one point and to me that is elite.
Well considering you've been saying he's not elite when he was posting up numbers like 100 QBR, I wouldn't say your evaluation was right. Just lucky. You've been saying the same BS about him because his odd delivery, which is laughable. But yes, he did decline. From elite category to second tier category.
Why? Because Eli has a normal delivery? Again, don't be hypocritical. If Rivers isn't elite, Eli isn't.
BS..you know I was dead on..the inflated numbers obviously masked your vision on his talent level..not mine, his decline was predicted to a tee, against what everyone else was saying at the time, like I said if you can't give credit on that one considering our arguments and the detail of them, then you never will..
Not sure wth your talking about but I'm not about to begin to tell you the differences between Eli and Rivers..your boy has almost been mark Sanchez bad for two years lol, i just told you 3 years ago that His career was about to dive...he's got more problems than his delivery. Eli teeters the elite category, he's in the closet to it one,which is a different category, which is not the category that rivers has been in for three years. Bree's..Manning..Roth..Brady..Rodgers..elite.. Next level..stafford..Eli..Griffin..Luck..Wilson.. Next level...whoever you want..doesn't matter.
6 years of inflated production???? No, that was just elite Philip Rivers. You didn't predict anything. You have been saying for years he's going to decline. Year after year you were wrong. You're more lucky than logical. Good job on that, I guess.
LMAO!!! And you're serious. That's the best part. Stick with your "evaluations". Whatever helps you sleep at night.
When I started saying he was going to decline, he did..period...you argued the contrary..how does the 50 turnovers over the last two years taste.
No, you said it before. And you were wrong. Now he has declined. You're right on sheer dumb luck than your "evaluations". We'll see if he bounces back to ELITE category.
I can tell you why and I can say it loud and clear, because he was never at the elite level of Rodgers, Bree's, manning, Brady, Rothlesberger, that's the highest level of qb'ing, which in this context is elite..if your taking the stance that he was, I don't know what to tell ya.
Fact.. I said three years ago you were looking at a Qb who is completely overrated, and who would eventually get exposed, his performance since has proven me correct...not sure what your arguing, it's ok to admit you were wrong.
thank you sir.. Not sure if he's ever gonna get Ladanian Tomlinson..Ant.Gates..Darren Sproiles..Vincent Jackson in their prime to join him in his comeback though.
He's the rare situation who hit a very long slump or decline in the prime of his career... I'm sure he'll rebound some, he's been at a low level for a long time in Qb years.
Qbs I would take over Rivers moving forward..young or old. Manning..Brady..Rodgers..Roth..Bree's. Matt Ryan...Luck..Wilson..RG..Ckap..Tannehill...Flacco..Eli..Alex Smith..Carson Palmer..Matt shaub..Tony Romo..Josh freeman..Cam newton.. Am I missing anyone..
Rivers is a farce man. Top tier QB. As for Tannehill in 2013 draft. It makes no sense. I despise fictional what if threads. Ryan is the Dolphins QB and will be playing tomorrow.
