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A feather in Irelands cap ?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by CrunchTime, Dec 29, 2012.

  1. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    As long as it's not The Dark Knight Rises Chris Nolan.
     
  2. SICK

    SICK Lounge Moderator

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    Not for this thread. But that was a good flick IMO.
     
  3. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Hartline is a great #3/4 type guy. He is NOT a playmaker and had no business starting. I would love the guy if he could stay on his feet any time the ball is within ten yards of him
     
  4. unifiedtheory

    unifiedtheory Sub Pending Luxury Box

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    5 picks in the top 100 and $50 million in salary cap room.

    Even signing our own guys (Smith, Bush, Starks (?), Moore, Long (?) & Hartline) and we won't resign all of them as well as clearing out some bad contracts (Karlos Dansby) could leave us with considerable salary cap room.

    This is the offseason when Ireland needs to use recruiting skills. We need a lot but we have a boat load of resources. We don't need a "house cleaning" but we need playmakers.

    This is the most important offseason this franchise has had in years. We can either set ourselves up for a nice little run of relevance or get ourselves into salary cap hell and blow a draft that we should hit a home run on.

    No pressure Jeff.
     
  5. PhinsRDbest

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    Not as good as BB & TDK, but yeah not for this thread.
     
  6. mroz

    mroz Fix the OL Club Member

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    Karlos is not going anywhere this year
     
  7. unifiedtheory

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    I would not be so sure about that. He has a massive ticket and I'm still waiting for him to make his first play. If the staff feels Koa Misi has the brain to play the middle Dansby's contract is very cuttable.
     
  8. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    The Dolphins are in a position to draft Ogletree. But anyways with his release, the probable UDFA leaving, and the only filling of one hole last year (QB) it seems as though we have more holes than ever:
    RB
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    TE
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    Pass Rush DE
    ILB
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  9. LBsFinest

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    what recruiting skills?
     
  10. Stringer Bell

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    3/4 type guy? Do you really believe there are 60 WRs better than Hartline???
     
  11. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    When you're hell-bent on believing Ryan Tannehill would be so much better with a better surrounding cast, then you'll believe whatever you need to about Brian Hartline.
     
  12. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    speaking of feathers in caps, anybody see the interception VD had today?
     
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  13. unifiedtheory

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    When your'e hell bent on believing Ryan Tannehill's supporting cast is irrelevant to his development you will believe whatever you need to regarding Brian Hartline.
     
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  14. unifiedtheory

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    He's a #3 on a very good team.
     
  15. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    He'd be NE's #1 Wr.
     
  16. padre31

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    Same was said about Welker before we traded him to NE

    why do folks not learn from history?
     
  17. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I don't suppose the folks who voted him a Pro Bowl alternate had any feelings at all about Ryan Tannehill's development. :)
     
  18. unifiedtheory

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    With a healthy Gronk and Hernandez, Hartline see's maybe 20 snaps a game on offense. Where does Hartline line up on their offense? He isn't catching 100+ out of the slot for Welker and Brandon Lloyd has similar numbers to Hartline. Lloyd is routinely the 4th option in that offense while Hartline is the #1 receiver on his team.
     
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  19. unifiedtheory

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    So, Tannehill is a finished product surrounded by an excellent supporting cast.

    Say that to yourself out loud.

    Does it sound ridiculous?

    It should....and that is what you have been saying for the last month.
     
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  20. unifiedtheory

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    Can Hartline play the slot the same way Welker does? Comparing the two is ridiculous. You have to compare Hartline to players who play the same position, that is why I used Brandon Lloyd as my example.
     
  21. padre31

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    Welker's leaving and LLoyd is more a deep threat than a #1 Wr.

    Put it this way

    Edleman v Hartline...and go!
     
  22. PhinsRDbest

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    He might NE #1, but he'd be their 4th option.
     
  23. padre31

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    Depends, he can get deep better than Welker and they already have Gronk and Hernandez.

    I fully expect if we let Hartline hit the market they will bid for him to replace Welker for 50% of the cost that Welker wants.
     
  24. Dolphins1Beatles

    Dolphins1Beatles Ziggy Stardust

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    I would've preferred being in the Colts position of making all the right moves already...but knowing all this means 2013 is make or break.

    If Ireland can't get enough talent in 2013 and they miss the playoffs again, then he never will and nobody should support him.
     
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  25. unifiedtheory

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    Fine. Hartline replaces Edelman on the Patriots depth chart.

    At the 3/4 mark of the season Edelman played 32.6% of the Patriots offensive snaps, around 30 snaps a game.
     
  26. unifiedtheory

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    Do you honestly think that Brian Hartline can play Wes Welker's position on the Patriots?
     
  27. padre31

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    Yep and do it better.
     
  28. unifiedtheory

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    Wrong thread
     
  29. Onehondo

    Onehondo Senior Member Club Member

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    This absolutely, positively, without a doubt has to be Ireland's make or break year. I don't know that any prior Miami GM had the opportunity presented to them that Ireland has been given. If he fails to make the most of it with measurable improvement to the team then he needs to go without question. Its neither a pro or negative Ireland statement but just a statement of fact.
     
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  30. phinnhedd

    phinnhedd Reality.

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    How many years has Ireland been GM now? How's that defensive backfield? How's that offense altogether? How about that WR corps? Few bright spots. Every now and then a squirrel finds his nut, he's behind on status quo IMO. Bad trades, bad drafts, mishandling interviews and generally a bad reputation. Yeah, he needs canned.

    Edit: what a sad season this was. The holes in the roster are inexcusable. It's almost like he has no long term plan. his talent evaluation is lacking.
     
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  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I think Hartline is fine as the #2, with Bess as the #3. We just don't have a #1 WR or even another #2.
     
  32. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Dansby counts less against the cap next year than he did this year. IMO, it would be very foolish to cut him.
     
  33. ckparrothead

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    What I'm having trouble with is the idea that the front office should be credited with,

    A) Assembling a "core" of talent, and
    B) Having so much money to spend in 2013.

    They don't have both. The reason they have all that money to spend is because a bunch of that "core" all have expiring contracts. If they plan on letting them all walk and hitting the reset button with all that money then that's more indictment on what they've been doing until now.
     
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  34. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    Any capable WR can play Welker's position. Because it's so so so so much more about the QB throwing them the ball than it is the WR. When will fans understand that simple fact?
     
  35. shouright

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    Well sometimes ya gotta take it a little easy on people, ya know? I suppose they may just be trying to make sense of the fact that Tom Brady won three Super Bowls without Wes Welker.
     
  36. dolfan32323

    dolfan32323 ty xphinfanx

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    Did you miss the part where Wes has led the league in receptions since he joined New England, set a record for the most catches by a WR over a 6 year span, and is putting up HoF numbers in New England?
     

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