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Guess Who's Sticking Around?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by slickj101, Dec 31, 2012.

  1. The_Dark_Knight

    The_Dark_Knight Defender of the Truth

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    The resemblance is uncanning!!!
     
  2. PSG

    PSG Clear Eyes. Full Hearts.

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    Exactly. While we had Brian Hartline and Davone Bess.

    And if Ireland was any good we could've had both Wayne and Hilton.
     
  3. Stringer Bell

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    If you're looking solely at the WR position, then yes. In regards to the entire offense? I don't agree.
     
  4. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    What?

    They averaged damn near a Touchdown more per game and they ranked 10th in Total offense, while Miami was 27th. They are not even close to being as efficient/netter than the Colts offense.
     
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  5. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I am but I think it's made a bigger difference than you're giving them credit for.
     
  6. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Having two tight ends who have a combination of speed and playmaking ability out in route, isn't a bad thing either, rookies or not, both tightends are very talented.
     
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  7. Stringer Bell

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    Right, except there is more to an offense than QB and WRs?
     
  8. brandon27

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    Obviously this was coming, congrats to those who claim victory in that.

    However, if its the right decision, with all this cap room, and early draft picks remains to be seen. Given his track record, and the current state of our roster, I'd say no. I hope im wrong.
     
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  9. Section126

    Section126 We are better than you. Luxury Box

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    it's soon to be 2013, there isn't much more than that.
     
  10. PSG

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    But anyway you slice it, Indy has far more talent on offense than we do. QB, WR, TE all go to Indy. We win at RB. O-line is probably a wash. Maybe a slight edge goes to Miami.
     
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  11. Stringer Bell

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    Net YPA was essentially the same. Yds per play was essentially the same. In the case of these two teams, Miami's cumulative numbers are affected by the fact they had less possessions. A lot of that goes back to simply having bad luck recovering fumbles. But in terms of efficiency, both teams were very close.
     
  12. Not ours.
     
  13. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    One offseason? The guy has been here how many years now??? Come on man...
     
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  14. Stringer Bell

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    IND has one of the worst OLs in the NFL IMO. I also think QB is a little closer than you do.
     
  15. unifiedtheory

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    The Ireland defending gang gets to jump up and down and say "look at how right we are" for one more year.

    I'm not going to kick and scream about it. It's going to go one of two ways.

    1.) He hits it out of the park this offseason with the mountain of resources he has, improves the depth, adds playmakers and sets us up for a nice little run.

    Or

    2.) Totally ****s the bed, setting the franchise back 5 years and gets his *** fired.

    I'd much prefer #1.
     
  16. PSG

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    I'd listen to arguments about the OL. But there is a huge gap between Luck and Tannehill.
     
  17. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Avery, Wayne, and Hilton are miles better than Miami's combo of Hartline, Bess, and no one. I wouldn't consider the Dolphins line to be anything better than average either, in spite of the resources poured into them. Two spots will be replaced at minimum this offseason. Fasano may be better than Allen or Fleener individually, but the Colts have the advantage overall. Our RBs are indeed better, but they more than made up the difference. They're better than a 2-14 team last year, and they're better than us now.
     
  18. unifiedtheory

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    I wonder how much better Tannehill would have looked with a playmaker like T.Y. Hilton. Too bad Jeff did not get a chance to scout Hilton.
     
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  19. 54Fins

    54Fins "In Gase we trust"

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    New Year tomorrow. Thought everyone here was in the same boat anyway. Whats with all the bickering? The season is done and Ireland will get another shot..
    Another shot at what,I don't know but we don't have a say. This will be his last hurray if he can't get it together in 13',so save it for then.
     
  20. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    So you're saying the Colts were more Lucky? Pun most certainly intended.

    And you can cite fumbles, but this is the second year in a row the Dolphins have had an amazingly low fumble recovery rate, in addition to this year having the fewest takeaways in franchise history. If one of those things happened, we could chalk it up to bad luck. Both of them happening? More than coincidence. This team lacks playmakers on the defensive side of the ball. That's clear.
     
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  21. PSG

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    Thats a good question.
     
  22. slickj101

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    If you think that's what the point of this thread is you're incorrect. It's to share the news and watch the ovaryactions that follow.

    I'd like to see this Ireland gang you and others speak of though bc most of the people you'd probably lump in to it are of the, "He's been okay but this offseason and next year are make or break" variety.
     
  23. Section126

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    Indy was -12 in TO's. Miami was -10. There are no excuses. Indy did more. There is no massaging over a 4 point difference in PPG.
     
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  24. unifiedtheory

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    I'm not in the "this offseason is make or break". I think he should have been fired a year ago, with Sparano and the whole staff. He has not done a single thing, IMO, that warrants more time.
     
  25. padre31

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    Hand on there, they also played a last place schedule and have the Jags twice a year.

    We did not score enough, plain fact, however to compare us to another team also means you have to look at both situations comprehensively.
     
  26. HardKoreXXX

    HardKoreXXX Insensitive to the Touch

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    In fairness to Jeff, FIU is like, a whole 30 minute drive from Sun Life Stadium. I mean, who wants to deal with that traffic?
     
  27. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Sure if you don't count Wake, Soliai, Starks, Jones, Dansby, Burnett, Pouncey, Tannehill, Bush, and Long

    then I agree he's done nothing.
     
  28. Section126

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    as if our schedule was that much harder. we played a soft schedule and went 7-9.
     
  29. PSG

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    And its FIU. There cant be any talent at a place FIU, right?
     
  30. Section126

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    wait a minute. I thought you said that he was only here one offseason?

    BTW, Solai was already here.
     
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  31. Stringer Bell

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    They did have better luck. And as easy as our schedule was, their schedule was even easier.

    Fumble recovery is pure luck.

    Creating turnovers isn't entirely luck. But the Miami Dolphins were 2nd to last in the NFL in opponent fumbles recovered. The two are related.

    This is the second year in a row that this happened. I'm not sure that constitutes more than a coincidence? Who do you think the most prolific fumble-recoverer in the draft or FA is??????????
     
  32. PSG

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    Yeah but some of those guys were brought in when Parcells was around.
    And we all know Ireland had nothing to do with anything while Parcells was here.
     
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  33. Section126

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    cough...cough...they beat us. All these Schedule arguments don't matter when that little nugget exists.
     
  34. Stringer Bell

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    Listen, you're free to focus on ppg if you want. IMO there are much better indicators of offensive efficiency available.
     
  35. Section126

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    and none of them suggest that Miami even approaches Indy's prowess on offense. Especially when you take into account the rest of each team.
     
  36. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    Then I guess your reading could use an upgrade.

    And he stayed here, for a reasonable price.
     
  37. Stringer Bell

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    Right, they beat us by 3 points at home. How much better than us does that make them?
     
  38. padre31

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    Not as soft as theirs, I'd bet they played the worst defenses statisticially of any playoff team.

    Our troubles centered mostly around a Rook Qb and no #3 Wr and a leaky secondary.
     
  39. Stringer Bell

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    Which measures of efficiency suggest that Indy is much better offensively?
     
  40. Section126

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    no..I read just fine. You said very clearly that he only had "one offseason" to upgrade the offense.

    You are just learning how how hard it is to defend the indefensible.
     

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