What is your impression of Jeff Ireland as a GM ?

What's intriguing are those nipples, but no time for that.
I think most neutral supporters, like myself, tend to lean towards the positives then the negatives imo.
Having said that, this upcoming season will plant me firmly on one side or the other.

 

I think its an indictment of the anti-Ireland crowd's mischaracterization of a lot of our stances. They essentially think many of us are just Ireland supporters when we've been pretty consistent about our wanting more info.

 

the only way i see it is .... if you were an owner looking for a GM -- would you have him on your 'short list' based on his performance .... not sure ANYONE could say YES.

equally, i do believe he did a pretty good job in '12 .... so lord willing - he will be at least equal to the task in '13. the KEY is FA ... a place where he has not been very successful to date we do not need 'ACORNS' - we need some 'NUGGETS'. for the draft, there are many ways to go ... that go from using all our picks in this draft - or parlaying to give us flexibility in next years as well (like the PATS do) ...

Phase 1 and most important is FA .... we have at least 20 roster spots to fill right now ... MAKE THEM COUNT!

 

Talent wise I think both of them are very good, I am leary of thier injury history though. I wouldn't be upset with the signing of either of them, but I also would go out and buy a jersey right away either. We have a lot of holes on this team, or at least area's that could really improve through FA and the draft. I'm intersted to see what he does and the approach that he is going to take.

I personally would love love love.....Montee Ball from Wisc. I'd let Reggie go ahead and walk. Use Miller like you would use Reggie and let Montee run wild.

 

Just want Ireland's fans to state if they will still be or not be fans , if we don't make the playoffs next year , seems a fair request . Indeed they are getting their wish , they should also be able to give us their timeline for the playoffs imo.

 

So, which of your nearly 13K posts actually impacted the Team's decision making?

 

ooh, you really showed him.

 

I think Ireland sucks and wish him gone.

But he's not. So I pray to Allah, Baby Buddha and Jesus that he knocks it out of the park this year. Because we have so much money and draft picks. I'm skeptical, but hopeful.

 

Well it looks like he will be staying for at least one more year. If he fails, I want to hear mea culpa's from a lot of the Love Ireland crowd.

 

And if he succeeds?

 

There are maybe 1-2 people in that crowd, max.

Either way, I have a hard time seeing any type of pronounced failure or success. The likely outcome here is that the team slightly improves, but nowhere near enough to settle any of the debates we are having.

 

I have resigned myself to hoping for another Super Bowl win before I die, and waiting for Ireland to leave so we can start moving in that direction. Such is my opinion of Ireland.

 

My favorite thing that I've seen lately is how some people have taken up Armando's tweet that as part of the Vontae trade Jeff Ireland asked for either T.Y. Hilton or Lavon Brazill. This as it's purported, is proof positive that Jeff Ireland recognized what a valuable player Hilton would be.

To me it's just proof positive what a jackass Jeff Ireland can be in trade negotiations. The fact that Jeff Ireland added as a toss-ins to the trade the Colts' choice between the guy they just drafted a few months earlier in the 3rd round, or the guy they just drafted in the 6th round, is an insult. First off it's not at all a compliment to Ireland re: Hilton because any rational person would know that AT BEST the Colts would pick Brazill, if they don't tell you to stuff it, which is exactly what they did. Second if I were the guy on the other line and I heard the offer put like that, I would like to **** in the other guy's mouth for the insult and smarminess of it.

 

The neutral voters are just those who don't have enough sack to take a stance one way or the other. As a negative voter, I have more respect for the positive voters than the neutral.
Like Jesus said about fence sitters, "But because thou art lukewarm and neither cold nor hot, I will begin to vomit thee out of my mouth."
So you folks in the middle, Jesus thinks you are the same as vomit.

 

Fixed. If Baby Jesus is good enough for Ricky Bobby, he's good enough for you.

 

My gut says, maybe.

 

The baby buddha was a play on Ricky Bobby

 

And yet despite him being such a jackass the Colts still gave us a really good deal, imo.

I guess they weren't as insulted as you'd of been.

 

That's cool. I like Buddha better anyway. He was a right on dude.

 

Oh they very well might have been. They just really wanted Vontae Davis. Chuck Pagano was the DBs Coach in Baltimore when Vontae came out and the Ravens were very high on him. There were rumors that the Eagles (where Ryan Grigson was) were also very high on him and wanted to pick in him the 1st round.

 

Heard John Clayton on the radio this AM commenting on our extra 2nd & 3rd.

Said the draft was so bad quality wise it's like a 3rd & 4th.

I know he is not a draft guru, but ouch.....

 

Depending on which positions the Dolphins are shooting for, he could be right. There are some things that are not impressing me about this Draft. And then there are some things that are.

 

Well they gave up a 2nd for him when he was 2nd string for us so yea I'm sure they really wanted him.

Still if they were that put off I'd be very surprised they'd be willing to poney up that high of a pick for him.

 

As Jeff Ireland said in front of the Hard Knocks cameras, "You called me".

I think when you're the team showing your hand by calling up the other team about a guy, you probably have to swallow some ****. Doesn't mean it wasn't irksome. "Toss in T.Y. Hilton [your 3rd round pick] or LaVon Brazill [your 6th round pick] and we've got a done deal." Eat ****.

 

The worst part about Ireland asking for Hilton in the negotiations isn't that he was never going to get the Colts to give him up, it's that it basically revealed that Ireland liked Hilton yet failed to take him when he had the chance.

We instead took Inactive Egnew

 

Inactive Egnew is a great nickname. SO it has been written..it is now decreed. That is forever his name.

 

No Eggnog?

 

The notion that Jeff Ireland is a jackass because he got a call from a team that obviously wanted Vontae and asked them to improve their offer with players recently drafted in the 3rd or 6th round is truly one of the most bizarre things I've ever seen around here. Say what you want about the job he's done as GM or the draft picks he's made, but it is ridiculous to suggest he is a jackass for asking Indy to improve their offer. That is what you do in negotiations. It's not like he asked for them to throw in Andrew Luck.

 

Who is likely feeding Clayton his draft info?

 

But don't you understand? He has to be a GM and a politician, because this is the court of public opinion!

 

To your knowledge, did Ireland ever suggest a one for one trade, Hilton for Davis?

 

I got it

 

The jackassery is in the comparison. T.Y. Hilton is an inherently more valuable player than LaVon Brazill hence being drafted in the 3rd round while Brazill went in the 6th round. So you're trying to get more than a 2nd round pick out of a guy and you toss out there that they can give you their 3rd round WR (or 6thr round WR) and it's not supposed to be obvious what you're doing? I would laugh, think to myself, "eat a dick, jackass" and then kindly say "No thank you"...which by all means is apparently what Ryan Grigson did because he refused to sweeten the deal to any degree except with the promise of a potential 6th round pick which evidently came with a pretty high standard of incentive.

The very concept alone of a condition that would require more than 600 snaps to activate an additional 6th rounder in the deal...kind of speaks to me of a tit-for-tat "Well, eff you too" concession by Grigson in response.

I'm not even saying the two guys don't like each other. They might even be friends. If they are friends then it becomes all the more likely that Grigson did in fact tell Ireland to eat a dick when Jeff offered Grigson to toss in T.Y. Hilton or LaVon Brazill.

 

I really don't know but the sentiment is not surprising. Clayton is ESPN, right? That would probably be Kiper or McShay then. Or more likely the people behind McShay that actually do all the work.

 

Very doubtful. Remember that Ireland the whole time on Hard Knocks talked about how he wanted more than just a 2nd round pick. I remember when he settled for a conditional 6th as his "more than a 2nd round pick" it actually seemed like that was a big step back from his asking price. I'm pretty sure he asked Ryan Grigson for the 2nd round pick and to add in either Hilton or Brazill on top of it.

 

It would have been too bold a move for Ireland to try I guess. I doubt now that the Colts would take a 2013 2nd rounder for Hilton if it were offered to them.

 

Oh god no. They wouldn't accept anything short of a 1st round pick and even then they'd probably pull an Ireland and demand you toss in "Cameron Wake or Olivier Vernon" to get the deal done.

 

Had Ireland pulled off a 1 for 1 trade at the time, Davis for Hilton, he'd have probably been second guessed even more than he was with the 2nd and conditional 6th. That is until Hilton worked his way into the lineup. Considering the proximity of the school and such, this is a guy that Ireland should been hot on during the draft. It is rather telling as for his talent eval abilities that he ranked Egnew higher.

 

I don't know how it went down exactly (neither do you), but you seem to assume that Ireland gave them the choice of giving up Hilton or Brazill at the same time. The reports and tweets I have seen on it don't say that. If the reports are true, it is more likely that the Dolphins first asked for Hilton and when the Colts balked, asked for Brazill. When the Colts balked at that, they probably settled on the conditional 6th. There is no jackassery in asking for a 2nd and a 3rd (Hilton) for a guy who was a 1st round pick, a multi-year starter and who is only 24 from a team that is contacting you and obviously wants Vontae. It would be stupid to not at least ask for another significant piece.

I don't see any "eff you" in the conditional pick or the 600 snaps threshold. 600 snaps is roughly 60% of a season's snaps. A starter will generally play more than 600 snaps and even a nickel corner will come close to that. So there is nothing outrageous at all about that condition. In retrospect it would have been better if it was 500 snaps, but . . . .

I do fully believe you would think "eat a dick, jackass" but there is no indication Grigson thought that way or was in any way offended or surprised that Ireland would ask for those players. In fact, there is no real indication that the deal wouldn't have happened if Ireland had stuck to his guns in demanding one of those guys. Grigson didn't initially agree to it, but for all we know, he might have if Ireland had told him to "eat a dick, jackass, if you think I'm gonna give up Vontae for just a 2nd round pick." We just don't know.

 

I find this post very funny considering you kept saying that Ireland is the best GM in Miami since Bobby Beathard until the Vontae trade happened. Now everything is "Ireland lovers" or "blind loyalists" with you.