I was referring to how I believe the locker room could have perceived it. Not you, me or other fans. When they see starting quality players traded away and replaced with waiver wire pickups, it says that this season's success is not a primary concern, IMO. I don't know what WADR means. Winning now is or should be the #1 concern IMO. You last sentence with the "and you & I both know that." sounded rather condescending to me.
VD was a backup in Miami when he was traded so they shouldn't be too concerned there. He's saying your nuts to think we're really going to make a run at the SB with Tannehill this year as it almost never works that way w rookie QBs. And no I don't think Luck, Wilson, or Griffin has a real shot at it either. I highly doubt the players expected this team to be performing at it's full potential in Philbin's first year with the roster being incomplete.
WADR means with all due respect.... and the last part wasn't meant to sound condescending, so I'm sorry if it came across that way. I agree that winning now should be the #1 concern, except I don't feel it should come at the expense of the greater good of the future, which in this case was recouping a 2nd rounder from a player who was perceived as likely to not be in the plans moving forward. As far as the locker room goes, I'm sure the players were all aware of Vontae's unprofessionalism and work ethic or lack thereof. Vontae got himself traded, so I'm guessing the locker room would perceive it as the new regime being one that doesn't mess around and consistently holds everyone accountable in the same manner no matter how talented they may be, that there are no free passes just b/c you have some natural ability. I know if I were busting my butt to be my best and I watch a talented teammate get traded for being problematic or unaccountable/unprofessional, I might have some appreciation for it and be positively motivated to continue busting my butt and working to be a model teammate.
and if someone asks well.... because we are the freaking Dolphins and we all the jokes aside, we can only hope they will make the right decisions on Draft&FA. For now, I wish you a happy 20 (or, for the older generations a happy 20 )
I'm not a Parcells fluffer but the facts are the facts. Parcells had final say when he was in Dallas otherwise he wouldn't have gone to the Cowboys.
Jerry Jones had final say back then on personnel, just as he does now. If you can produce proof to the contrary, other than just because you say so, please do.
You are the claiming Parcells had final say, so you are the one who should produce supporting evidence. Supply some links to articles that support your claim.
Do you really think Parcells would go to Dallas knowing he had no personnel control? He had an absolute fit when Kraft took it away from him for one year with the Patriots. Go read the book Coaching Confidential which goes into all of this in depth. Jones took a back seat to Parcells because he was losing and was desperate. He also needed to sell more tickets and merchandise to build a new stadium.
If Parcells had total control in Dallas then Marcus Spears would've been their 1st round pick over DeMarcus Ware b/c Spears is who Parcells wanted. But no, Parcells wasn't in charge, and Jerry Jones listened to Ireland and took Ware instead.
I highly doubt Ireland had anything to do with that. Jones could've stopped Ireland from leaving and he didn't.
Parcells also wanted to draft Kevin Williams the DT who went to the Vikings, but Jerry Jones, with the support of Ireland, said no, they were drafting Terence Newman the corner. This is one time they should have listened to Parcells. Newman was a good corner, but Williams has been a great DT.
Bill Parcells was only the head coach. Jerry Jones was and still is the GM. He allowed input from Parcells, as well as Ireland, but Jones has never given up final control on personnel since Jimmy Johnson left.
That's not accurate. He took a back seat to Parcells when he was in Dallas. Jones may have had the GM title but Parcells was the guy making the decisions. I find all of this to be very overrated though. Personnel decisions are a collaboration between the front office and coaching staff. They all work together.
Yes it is accurate. If Parcells had final say, then Kevin Williams would be a Cowboy and Terence Newman would not. Marcus Spears would have been taken in the slot where DeMarcus Ware was taken and the latter would not be a Cowboy. Jones allowed input but he never gave up being the tie breaking voice whenever there was a disagreement.
read the following quote. Parcells was NOT in charge. Notice how it was Jerry Jones, not Parcells, sitting on the one side by himself with Parcells and the scouts grouped opposite? Now please kindly tell me who it was OVERSEEING the draft and let me know if you still "doubt" Ireland had anything to do with it. Thanks in advance. I'm been providing facts, so please stop talking out your arse and basing your posts off your OPINION of how you think things might've went in Dallas, as it really kills your chances of building any type of credibility around here. BTW, how would Jones stop Ireland from leaving when Jones would never give up both his GM title and that much eventual responsibility to anyone else not named Jerry Jones or some in the Jones tree.
Ireland has run a total of 3 drafts by himself. He killed it in 2007 and seems like he may have done the same with this year's group as well. Nailing 2 of 3 drafts would be viewed as an impressive feat.
LOL. MrClean keeps asking you to back your opinionated posts with some facts but for some reason you refuse. Perhaps it's because the facts don't exist.
Huh? This draft outside of Tannehill ain't looking so hot either. Ireland didn't run the draft in Dallas.
Coaching Confidential has extensive interviews with Jones and Parcells. In the book the Tuna basically comes out and says he has no respect for Jerry's football IQ and rarely listened to him. He put most of his trust in his coaching staff, guys like Mike Zimmer and Sean Payton.
This ridiculous statement just showcases your slanted, opinionated beliefs. How about some Jerry Jones stuff about Ireland:
yeah ok. I'd love to hear your analysis on this one. Are you seriously this dense? I JUST posted a link to it. Here's the quote again: Are any words in this statement confusing to you? You're so overly obtuse it's not even worth addressing your posts anymore.
So? What's that got to do with anything? He's talking about coaching, duh, not running an organization.
So now Ireland ran the drafts but not Parcells. How convenient. If Ireland was so great in Dallas why didn't Jones keep him? He could've easily blocked the move by pointing out that Parcells had final say in Miami and it was just a lateral move.
Olivier Vernon hasn't done a god damn thing on defense other than one game. Jonathan Martin just got tossed around like a little ***** in New England and Lamar Miller couldn't get on the field for most of the year. Jury is still out on Tannehill who has basically the same numbers that Henne had in his first year.
Jerry Jones raved about Ireland so much that he sat back and watched him leave to the Dolphins. LOL! Some of the people that post on this forum just can't see reason.
That's why Parcells & Miami had to word the contract to read "GM", hence making it a non lateral move. What do you mean "how convenient"? It's FACT that Ireland ran the last draft they had in Dallas. What part of that do you NOT understand? What Ireland did in Dallas with Jones in charge and Parcells as head coach has NOTHING to do with Miami where Parcells was hired as head of football operations to run the show.
Jones could've pointed out that it was a BS title but he sat back and watched him leave. Jones ran the draft in Dallas not Ireland and if you are going to argue that then you would have to say that Parcells ran the show in Dallas when he was there and not Ireland. You are just trying to give the *** clown credit for the drafts that you like but the fact of the matter is that Ireland thus far is a failure.
A few hundred people are reading this post chuckling at how you're currently taking about yourself. What the hell do you think Jones could do about Ireland leaving to pursue a GM future when Jones, himself, could NOT offer it to Ireland? Is Jones gonna hold a gun to the NFL's head and invoke some special veto privilege? You're drowning right now, Serpico.
He could've pointed out that the GM position was bogus or he could've given Ireland the GM title and given himself another title like vp of football operation but he let him walk. You find a way to keep people that you like.
Thats not exactly true. Jones did raise objections and the Dolphins had to include clauses in his contract to make it clear that it was a promotion and not a lateral move. In truth according to his contract, Ireland had final say over player acquisition and their contracts not Parcells. That was the only way the league would allow him to come to the Dolphins. Now behind the scenes it might of been Parcells with the final say so but on paper it was and is Ireland.
This is my final post on this matter because I'm not going to argue with this sycophant anymore. Jeff Ireland has had the GM title on this football team for 5 years and has a losing record that includes 4 straight losing seasons. I refuse to believe that Ireland was getting paid millions of dollars a year to be Parcells' butt boy, he had a major hand in the personnel decisions and he should've been fired a long with Sparano. Personnel decisions are a collaborative effort, they all deserve blame but our idiot owner doesn't see it that way so now we will suffer through the inevitable.
Dont forget that he is a Carl Peterson prodigy and Ross is likely hearing good stuff about him from Carl. Ross may believe that the problem was Sporano and not Ireland too.
Whoa, 15 pages over the non surprise of Ireland sticking? Its likely to get a lil contentious round here this offseason.
The jury is still out on Martin, Vernon, Egnew, Miller, Kaddu, Matthews, Randall, Shelby and Samuda too. Anyone who judges how a player will do for his career based only on his rookie season is foolish.
I didn't like Vernon or Martin in college. Martin might be too weak to play tackle and Vernon really didn't do anything at UM.
