Jonathan Martin sucks.....that is, according to PFF

Smaller shorts?

 

Less stubble?

 

Pedophiles aren't necessarily gay. And gays aren't pedophiles.

Are all straight men attracted to 11 year old girls? Of course not.

 

If you believe Sandusky would give Martin a run for his money in a nude wrestling match then either Martin is even weaker than I supposed, or Sandusky far hornier.

 

Martin sucked this year. Of course he could improve, but it's just as likely he ends up yet another can't find an OL without spending a ridiculously high pick Ireland failure. Hated this pick from the beginning. Drafting him instead of replacing Brandon Marshall was stupid.

 

Sandusky is all about teaching shower saftey to young children.

 

You want the long, detailed answer? I don't think you do.

Gonna be a long offseason, Rock.

 

I'm not sure what people expected out of him. The reason he fell to the 2nd round was he lacked the strength to be a good OT in the NFL. Fortunately, that can be changed. He looks fluid and athletic. IMO, I think he has a chance to develop into a good OT.

I know the rankings back up his production and you really can't argue that. I'd be interested in seeing how many 2nd round OT start their 1st year in the NFL. How did they rank?

 

Yeah, nobody gives a ****, Pads...

The bigger question here is if your new avy portrays an actual Canadian pagan ritual, full moon, eeven.

c'mon background story, now...unless you ended up getting laid, then let's temper the details you ol' dog.

 

J. Martin sucked. There is no other word. Jake Long set the bar pretty high, but Martin didn't even reach Jakes halfway mark. Said it before and I'll say it again: bad move Jeff Ireland.

All season long I saw this guy getting pushed around like a ragdoll.

 

As a rookie LT in 2008, Duane Brown, taken in the 1st by the Texans, ranked 72nd overall out of 77 OTs. He was 76th in pass blocking, and 65th in run blocking. He allowed 11 sacks, 14 hits and 25 hurries.
I'm sure there were some knee jerk reactionaries among Texans fans, crying how their new LT was a bust.
In 2011, Brown ranked 6th among OTs, 7th in pass blocking, and 26th in run blocking. He allowed ZERO sacks 4 hits, and 22 hurries.
In 2012, Brown ranked 2nd among OTs, 8th in pass blocking, and 3rd in run blocking. He allowed 4 sacks, 6 hits, and 11 hurries.

Mod Edit: Leave the personal attacks out.

 

The only "fools" are anyone who passes final judgement on a rookie after just his rookie season.

 

Mitchell Schwartz, whom we did not have a chance to draft, ranked 20th overall, and 13th in pass blocking. Bobby Massie ranked a little higher than Martin at 72nd overall, and 74th in pass blocking. He also gave up 13 sacks to lead the league, compared to Martin's 6.
Matt Kalil ranked 21st overall, and 12th in pass blocking.
Cordy Glenn ranked 33rd overall. Riley Reiff ranked 35th. Kelechi Osemele ranked 41st.
Any other rookie OTs you can think of who started extensively?

 

He did suck. We'll have to wait and see if he will continue to suck. I think all we can take away from these numbers is that we can't really assume that he'll slot into a starting spot next year and be an average or above average player. He was bad enough this year that he could improve and still be "bad." Hopefully he makes a much bigger leap.

 

He's 6'5 312, dude. At least get your stats right.

 

That's the thing, unless any of us can and do go back and break down every single play by every single player, PFF's ratings are well worthy of consideration.

 

MAYBE at the beginning of the season. He weighed that at the combine.

 

You may want to consider another specialty then, if you actually watched Martin and Long equally and thought Martin pass blocked better.

 

He meant Jake is the son of Bruce. Which is correct. Clay of the Packers is son of Clay Sr. The other poster said Jake was the son of Clay, meaning Clay Sr. That's wrong.

 

You do it all the time.

 

Nails put together the finest season at LG we've had since a certain all time favorite manned the spot. Unfortunately injuries derailed him after that year. Ruddy while never excellent...always at least played to an avg.
That interior line pretty much all had career years. Ricky was running those A gaps and teams knew it...stacked it even and couldn't stop it.

Seeing Nails 50 yards down field making a hit.....I haven't seen anything that impressive from our guards since.

 

all I saw from martin was him on his back half the season dunno how people are saying he played better than long this year

 

You people do understand we are now trying to run a zone blocking scheme?

But we have offensive guards who can pull, that are a awful fit for our zone blocking scheme currently. This is one of the main reasons why Long & Martin both had down year's. Now Mike Pouncey thrived in this new system. Once we get the right type of personel to play this scheme, the tackles will all look much better. But in zone blocking, if your guards can not pull? Your in big trouble fast, let's hope Ireland can find a pulling guard like Larry Little real soon.​

 

I definitely think he is better at the LT position than the RT position.Having said that he is a shadow of what Long was in his rookie year.Long who has been voted an all pro every year since he was a rookie has had some injury issues lately and some members are convincing themselves that Martin will be an adequate replacement.

I suppose they wont be convinced otherwise until Long recovers from his injuries ,goes to another team and resumes his trajectory as an all pro and possibly HOF candidate sometime in the future while the Dolphins keep spending high draft picks in an attempt of finding another Long.

Just ask Pouncey who he would rather have at LT .He has already stated there is no comparison .

 

Personally i dont think Martin is another Long but Im also not sure you need a LT as good as Long to win a Super Bowl. Recent history says no. Its also probably not a great idea to bring Long back as a salary of what will likely be at least 10M per or at the franchise tag price of 15.36M. If Long wants to take something reasonable like say 5years and 40M with more guaranteed money then Id be in favor.

 

I agree he is not worth that contract size but his bad year could be an opportunity to negotiate a lower contract.

Caveat.LTs are scarce and are usually overpaid in which case we may lose him anyway .

 

There's no way at this point, even with Long being injured, that Martin is a bankable replacement.

 

I think well over 50% of this forum, does not even understand the concept of zone blocking. So how can they judge if a player is a good fit or a bad fit for the scheme? I tried to point out one of the key reason Jake Long looked so bad is because our guards are not a good fit for our scheme. Some NFL teams that use zone blocking are Texans, Seahawks, Redskins, Broncos, Raiders & Packers. [look for us to try and steal from them in FA] Also remember that chip blocks and pinning are a key element of ZBS, look for tall lineman at 6'5" and up in the draft. That excell in the 3 cone drill and shuttle run as a example at the combine. [hint.. hint.. Martin]

Also remember the death of the ZBS is usually seen in pass blocking. From a general standpoint, teams that run the zone blocking scheme have a mobile QB and run play-action passes, boot-leg passes, and throws on the run with great frequency. Doom, for this technique, is putting your OL into situations where the defense knows you must pass the ball. [this is a key reason why Long & Martin both struggled also]

Alex Gibbs is pretty much the "Father" of the zone blocking scheme, it's a tough scheme to master. As your guards and center need to work as one, if they do not excell your going to have melt downs at the point of attack. Tackles will get the blame to the person who does not know any better. But in truth the key element is the interior linemen and there play on the inside.

Hope this post can help people understand ZBS a little bit better!

 

Wait are you saying you need pulling guards to run a zone blocking scheme?​

 

I think you can win with Martin at LT. I see that position as a little overrated. Who does Rodgers have blocking his blindside? Matt Ryan? Drew Brees? Eli Manning? Ben Roethlisberger? If we had a statue at QB, I'd be much more intent on keeping Jake. However, I think Tannehill's pocket presence will improve with experience. Hencan make plays with his feet, that other guys can't.

 

Martin seemed to get better as the season went along. He wasn't great, but IMO he wasn't nearly as bad as PFF has him rated. PFF does a great job of recording certain things, but I'm not sure how much I trust their ratings. Its not very easy to judge offensive lineman unless you know a lot of what the line calls are.

 

You want gaurds that can chip block [aka chop block] and get out and move, in the ZBS there is a ton of pulling and traps. One reason why Pouncey looked so damn well. He can get out and move so fast. If you think John Jerry & Richie Incognito are good fits for zone blocking scheme your nuts, but on paper they have graded out pretty well by Pro Football Focus. But in truth they are more the problems then the tackles. If you think Jake Long has just lost it. [your nuts, he still a fantastic offensive tackle] But the scheme used now, his play will look worse because of the subpar play of the interor line guards & center]

 

Imo, Martin just needs to be above average and stay healthy. I don't see why he won't get better with experience and strengthening

 

No, Martin sucks according to you.... You went out of your way to build a case against him. Another thing to peg on that damn GM, right ? Just forget that he's a rookie that missed a lot of camp and started a new position. We know he's struggled , we know. But he improved, and when switched back to his old spot, he impressed... for a rookie. Im sure you've already determined that he's a bust and the pick was wasted though. Ridiculousness, as usual.