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Great article by David Moulton

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Dtronic, Jan 1, 2013.

  1. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The term "6th grade level" means just that. If you're in 6th grade, then you have enough reading comprehension and vocabulary to read a newspaper.

    I'm sorry that you don't like the article in the OP, but let's not reinvent the meaning of particular phrases just to suit that fact.

    Disagreed. The Cleveland Browns are the Detroit Lions of the AFC. I would say the Dolphins are the Arizona Cardinals of the AFC. General mediocrity punctuated by the occasional burst of competence.
     
  2. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't think you have any idea what the Lions have been like the last few years. At all.
     
  3. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    This is a great analogy.

    Can we have Larry Fitzgerald and Patrick Peterson?
     
  4. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    This is funny. Please show me/link to all of the Pro-Ireland threads on this forum. I'm waiting.

    Just b/c we point out how stupid the arguments against him are, that doesn't mean we're pro Irish. We're just anti-stupidity.
     
  5. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    I dunno. Stephen Ross seems to be a member.
     
  6. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Since 2007 we are +10 in the regular season with the same amount of playoff appearances as the Lions. The difference is the fans here are foolish enough to believe every year is our year and Detroit has been beat down to accept what they are. The difference isn't that big since the +10 has meant nothing.
     
  7. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    The Cardinals went to a Superbowl and nearly won it. The closest this team gets is when it is in Miami.
     
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  8. Disgustipate

    Disgustipate Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Well ****, only ten games?

    Also, "Since 2007" does not even come a tiny bit close to accurately putting the Lions issues in any sort of context. You have not suffered like a Lions fan. Just stop.
     
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  9. mlb1399

    mlb1399 Well-Known Member

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    The Dolphins are in the position they are from years of bad decisions. It stems from trading for Ricky Williams, taking Ronnie Brown over Rodgers, Ginn over Willis, Long over Ryan, trading 2nd round picks for Culpepper and Feely and horrible drafting. On top of that, we've been a constant state of flux with GM's and coaches. On top of good drafting, great teams have stability. When you're constantly changing systems and schemes you are having to retool your players and the ones that do fit lose valuable experience executing those schemes.

    I think the Ireland topic is so polarizing because he hasn't been terrible but he also hasn't been good. He's just kind of ok. It's tough to gauge his job based on the influence that Parcells had on personnel decisions.

    Some of his better moves were: signing Wake, signing Bess, drafting Pouncey, Jones, Hartline, passing on Flynn and Orton. Some of his bad moves have been: Long over Ryan, White, Egnew, getting less for Marshall than what he paid, getting less for Davis than what he spent drafting him. I know Parcells gets some of the blame.
     
  10. WhiteIbanez

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    This is where we are really. Blaming Ireland for our 1-15 season?
    I've seen rants but this one is pretty rich. :lol:
     
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  11. slickj101

    slickj101 Is Water

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    I don't think you're very familiar with how public schools really work. Not going to debate inaccurate terms.
     
  12. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    That's a spin job article. When Ireland dropped and chose Odrick, he was still pouring the cement of a foundation and there was simply too much risk involved with the then relatively unknown Pierre-Paul to take him at 10. I think the doctors dissuaded us, yet again, from taking a premier talent in Gronkowski. Trust me, I went ape **** over not landing Gronk. If I recall it was back concerns that dropped his value.

    I like what he did last draft and I'm very interested to see what he comes up with this offseason.

    Nevermind, just read the rest of the article...The TY Hilton reference was ridiculous like this attack piece.

    And you guys jump my *** for conspiracy!?!
     
  13. Serpico Jones

    Serpico Jones Well-Known Member

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    Even more of a reason to run the other way. The Big Eared One has been a complete joke as an owner.
     
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  14. jinx

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    1 starter in 13 draft picks after the first round. ONE. FOR. THIRTEEN. This is just comical.

    Dave Wannstedt has a higher batting average. In fact, Wannstedt is downright brillant in comparison. He drafted five starters outside the first round in his first three drafts in Miami.

    Pathetic.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I'm pretty sure you're wrong.
     
  16. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    What about the guys drafted after the first round in the drafts before 2011? Or does that not count?
     
  17. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    His reasoning behind going after Harbaugh was laughably repugnant. Because I didn't think I'd get caught was his defense and so funny in retrospect. I mean, there's Ross in his private jet with Ireland and meanwhile Canephins is streaming live flight tracker on his craft and has half of this board watching his every move. God, then tough guy Sparano gets a public apology and a contract extension during an akward press conference made worse by the fact that Sparano is eyeballing Ross and Ireland like granny from the Beverly Hillbillies.

    You can't tell me God doesn't have a good sense of humor...
     
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  18. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    About what exactly?
     
  19. Pandarilla

    Pandarilla Purist Emeritus

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    Just in general:lol:
     
  20. jinx

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    The author of the article to which this thread is dedicated only cites the post-Parcells drafts.
     
  21. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Not really fair though. Later round picks usually take more time to blossom. Look at Reshad Jones for example.
     
  22. jinx

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    I don't have much faith in Thomas, Clay or Wilson developing into starters, but I suppose miracles happen. I agree it's too early to evaluate this draft, good or bad.
     
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  23. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    How do you suppose the "neutral" folks feel about it?

    Based on the recent poll here, the "Ireland Fan Club" (those who indicate they feel positively about him) consists of less than 7% of the forum.
     
  24. shouright

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    And I suspect if you did a good study on it, you'd find you can win a Super Bowl just fine with an average GM.
     
  25. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    It may be a rant, and it may be written at a grade school level, but the point he makes is valid: there are general manager candidates who have a better track record of talent acquisition than Jeff Ireland. Sorry, guys, but it's indisputable that this is a deeply flawed team from a personnel perspective, and there has to be accountability.
     
  26. ToddPhin

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    Parcells and his outdated philosophy/blueprint is gone
    Sparano is gone (what he did in NY should serve an indication as to just how badly he alone set us back, and he was our HC not an OC)
    Henning and an offensive system built around him is gone
    There's been plenty of accountability.
     
  27. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    And they're looking for jobs why? :headscratch:
     
  28. LBsFinest

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    we said that last offseason.
     
  29. finfansince72

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    I suspect you don't win many if any and I suspect you win many more with a good GM. Keep pimpin mediocrity.
     
  30. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I suppose I'll quit pimpin' when I read your study on the relationship between the GM and winning.
     
  31. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Read what I wrote again. Polian, for example, has a better track record of drafting players who became viable starters than Ireland does. He's looking for a job because for X period of time next preceding his being let go, he didn't do as well. That does not change his overall track record.

    You can argue that Ireland has not yet had enough time to compile a similar track record, or that Polian's present talent evaluation ability is more fairly reflected by his latest body of work than by his overall track record, but that's speculation and opinion.

    The truth is that if you see a steaming pile of crap, you seldom need to analyze each item of food that the guy who pooped it ate over the last three days before you can conclude that it stinks. Sometimes results speak for themselves.
     
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  32. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yes. Who's left to be accountable?
     
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  33. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Do we know which players were drafted by Ireland versus Parcells?
     
  34. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    Ireland, based on the performance of Joe Philbin and Ryan Tannehill.
     
  35. ToddPhin

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    No one from the Parcells years according to our owner who actually knows who was responsible for what.
     
  36. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Oh, he does not deserve any credit if the Ireland loyalists don't agree with him. ;)
     
  37. cdz12250

    cdz12250 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Ah well. There's also the possibility that talent acquisition is a pure game of chance, and that no human being can significantly improve on the luck of the draw. Bobby Beathard was just uncommonly lucky.
     
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  38. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO, a lot of the neutral votes are actually fans that wanted to vote positive, but are too embarrassed to admit it. Also some of his most vocal supporters did not even bother to vote, the last I checked. Perhaps they think polls are silly.
     
  39. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    You can't be that dense. They worked for owners who are less patient than Ross apparently is.
     
  40. GreysonWinfield

    GreysonWinfield Release The Hounds

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    Well ****, what did those 10 games get the team? Nothing but more medicrity. They don't evn no how to be a ****ty team correctly. Nowhere did I say I say I have suffered like a Lions fan. But since 2007 it's clear this team is not much better than them.
     

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