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Greg Williams

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by mommabilly, Jan 2, 2013.

  1. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Apparently IF reinstated the Rams do not want him. IF reinstated I would take him over Coyle in a half a heart beat.
     
  2. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Cut it to a zero heartbeat for you and I'd consider. :shifty:
     
  3. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    the next dimension
    Maybe you can put a bounty on Coyle :shifty:
     
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  4. Killer Bees

    Killer Bees Bringin' the Ruckus

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    maybe he'll get Burnett to take out Brady, I wouldn't mind seeing him suspended for the season...
     
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  5. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    Greg Williams IMO is one of the best o ut there. If they can forgive Vick and the NO coach, they can forgive Willaims.
     
  6. sports24/7

    sports24/7 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Regardless of whether Williams is a good coach or not, Coyle did a very good job this year and replacing him would be foolish. And plus, it's going to be very hard for Williams to gain the trust of players after what he pulled with throwing those guys under the bus.
     
  7. Boik14

    Boik14 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    After he threw the players under the bus or tried to anyway, Im pretty sure his coaching days are numbered at this level. I cant see anyone trusting that snake and as good as he is, I dont want him
     
  8. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    IMO, we should try to keep our defensive staff as intact as possible. Considering the train wreck the corner back situation became toward the end, Coyle did a fantastic job.
    In 2011, PFF rated our pass coverage 32nd. This season it was 13th. This with stiffs like Carroll, Wilson, McCann and Stanford getting a lot of snaps. After Marshall got hurt, it became Smith and a whole lot of nothing at corner. Yet somehow Coyle guided them to 13th in coverage. He's a keeper in my book.
     
  9. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Carrol isn't a stiff.
     
  10. CitizenSnips

    CitizenSnips hmm.

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    i would really like to see this entire staff return and stay for some time (assuming they do well). this team needs stability, im really tired of getting new coordinators every season.
     
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  11. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    We disagree on him then. He has hands of stone. How many teams do you think he'd start on? IMO, other than us, maybe 1 or 2 at the most.
     
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  12. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    But he's pretty much all we have.
     
  13. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    With the exception of Patterson and Smith.

    I really hope we landed a quality WR FA so we can focus on our secondary.
     
  14. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    No, he doesn't have hands. But a stiff? Even the great PFF rates him positively this season. He's not a stiff.
     
  15. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    A healthy trio of Smith, Patterson, and Carrol isn't bad. I wouldn't be opposed to entering the season with them.

    I want to upgrade Clemons. I wouldn't mind Marshall at FS or releasing him to sign/draft a FS.
     
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  16. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    In your opinion. Ok, let's say he isn't a stiff. What he really is, is a marginal talent who would be no better than the 4th or 5th corner on most teams. IMO. YMMV.
     
  17. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't agree. And I don't know what YMMV means.
     
  18. Silverphin

    Silverphin Well-Known Member

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    YMMV = Your Mileage May Very. Basically, different people have different opinions on the subject.
     
  19. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    your mileage may vary. I got it from Padre.

    If you disagree, how many other teams do you think he would start on?
     
  20. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    I rather keep Clemons and upgrade at CB.
     
  21. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I don't know.
     
  22. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    YMMV.

    I can't tell you how many times I had to google that in the past.
     
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  23. Anonymous

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    I would do the opposite because I think FS has a bigger impact than CB.
     
  24. MonstBlitz

    MonstBlitz Nobody's Fart Catcher

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    I don't think Coyle was the problem. The play of the secondary had much more to do with lack of talent and depth than the coaching, IMHO. Coyle worked wonders with what he had.
     
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  25. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Perhaps, but I think Clemons is better than people give him credit for. I also believe Jones' emergence put Clemons in a lesser light.
     
  26. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    I thought Jones was playing free more and Clemons was playing strong.
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Actually, I would move Richard Marshall back to safety, which is his better position IMO. I would re-sign Clemons for depth and then I would work on updating the CB position.
     
  28. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

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    Dolphins don't really use free and strong, they use right and left.
     
  29. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Which basically means either one could be in the box and either one could be playing high single safety.
     
  30. Rocky Raccoon

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    Yeah, they kind of mix things up a lot. Which I like.
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Me too, and it was maybe misleading for Clemons to be referred as the FS. Not you, just in general.

    Yet, PFF refers to Jones as SS and Clemons as the FS :)
     
  32. Rocky Raccoon

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    Probably just because they have to give them a label. Clemons is usually the last line of defense so it makes sense to label him the FS. And Jones is in the box a lot. But in reality it's a lot of mixing and matching for both of them.
     
  33. MrClean

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    I don't understand that usage of them either for that matter. Jones is definitely better at playing the ball, and in run support both are competent. Clemons is a lot faster when it comes to raw speed, but when reaction time is factored in, I'm not so sure his field speed is any better than Jones.
     
  34. Rocky Raccoon

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    I agree. When the ball is in the air Jones is like a missile.
     
  35. Bpk

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    Coyle has said he has never had any luck against the Patriots offense.

    We never win a division that way.

    I am not for getting Williams, but you have to consider it.

    I'd love to know how his defenses performed against the Pats.
     
  36. Killer Bees

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    If anything Jimmy isn't the stiff, I mean he's not starting caliber yet IMO but I liked a lot more of what I've seen from him than Carroll. Carroll always seem to flash at me in a negative light.
     
  37. Disgustipate

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    Kevin Coyle did a very good job this year and is going to make a name for himself as a top defensive coordinator I think. He's probably the guy who impressed me the most through the season. He fit what he was doing towards what he had, and made good adjustments both in-game and over the course of a season. He's very much a guy who has learned from his influences, and he's had some impressive influences.

    Greg Williams is pretty much Mike Martz as a defensive coordinator. He's a bit of a cloaca, living off of past accomplishments, and is going to run the stuff he wants to run regardless if you have the players or not.
     
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  38. Starry31

    Starry31 Phins and Heels.

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    Of the Patriots five lowest scoring games, the Dolphins were the cause of two of them. Patriots average score against Miami was 25.5 points, with their average in the 14 games against non-Miami opponents being 36.1 points (notable teams include Baltimore, Seattle, Denver, San Fransisco, Houston). Small sample size and all, but not all that discouraging.
     
  39. thisperishedmin

    thisperishedmin Well-Known Member

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    Also worth highlighting...the Patriots losses are the following:

    ARI 20 @ NE 18
    NE 30 @ BAL 31
    NE 23 @ SEA 24
    SF 41 @ NE 34

    Generally speaking, those are all high scoring games. The Arizona game is kind of the mystery one...but in retrospect...what the hell were the Cardinals the first few weeks anyway? Beyond that, teams were scoring 24+ to beat NE. We just cant do that.

    I think Coyle did pretty well against them...if we learn to put more points on the board our Defense has what it takes to stop Brady. At the same time, never discount his ****ing miracle drives at the end of a game.

    Regardless, we did pretty well against the pats, even with that 28-0 ****show.
     
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  40. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    One could make a case too, that his arrival in Miami coinciding with elevated performances in our two safeties is no coincidence. Our two DB coaches should get some credit as well. Both are relative newcomers to the NFL.
    Coyle is definitely looking like a man who can make chicken salad from chicken manure when it comes to secondaries,
     

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