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What is the Fins biggest weakness, going into this off season?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by Perfectville_USA, Jan 4, 2013.

What is the Fins biggest weakness?

Poll closed Mar 5, 2013.
  1. WR & TE

    77.3%
  2. DB

    3.4%
  3. OL

    3.4%
  4. Pass Rusher

    8.0%
  5. other

    8.0%
  1. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I'll have an objective exploration of all that done and posted by the end of the weekend. Should be interesting.
     
  2. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    Well "I am going to go out on a limb and volunteer my leadership for this platoon because a platoon without a good leader is like a foot without a big toe , and Jeff Ireland isn't always going to be that big toe "


    If i am g m I would cut everyone except Tannyhill and Moore and Cameron Wake

    here is how i would go about rebuilding.

    i would draft all offense this year and use f/a to fix the secondary .

    i would draft the tightend from Oregon if he is in this draft and i would trade Bush amd Thomas for another pick .


    I would draft two olinemen two wr's and one runningback and maybe a third olineman .

    I would fire the entire scouting department and i would look at undrafted players to fill some holes and depth .

    i would pressure Goodell into giving us a much deserved compensation picks and you guys will be rockin and rollin baby .
     
  3. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

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    Over 76% of the vote says WR's & TE's, I agree.
     
  4. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    If all the good d'ends are gone, and we can't trade down, the only off player I would pick is Eiffert.
     
  5. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

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    Comedy Central is awaiting your résumé.
     
  6. ToddPhin

    ToddPhin Premium Member Luxury Box Club Member

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    Interesting to whom? Raf's objectively subjective eyes already gave us an informed assessment.
    Condescendingly sounds like you feel Raf's trained eye lacks any merit until you have a chance to explain everything away with a bunch of stats.
     
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  7. shouright

    shouright Banned

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    I would say "almost" is a good choice of words on your part. ;)
     
  8. padre31

    padre31 Premium Member Luxury Box

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    Eh, I'd take that DT Star whomever.

    My assessment of our weaknesses:

    -large amount of FA's, when some leave you have instant holes created
    -Offensive line is jumbled, two Tackles are FA's
    -Te position can be described in one word: "Mess"

    When you lose Vet starters and replace them with rooks, you will lose more games that year.
     
  9. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    ....incorrectly.

    Here's a Shou look at stats:

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    Since most of the apples (75%) studied are red, it is safe to conclude that statistically most red things are apples and Luck is an orange.
     
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  10. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Yeah, the wins. Why would anybody bother to pay attention to such things?

    Luck apparently had nothing to do with the 18 point comeback against GB or that incredible final drive and final play against Detroit. No Tanny was better during the second half of the season while losing 37-3 to Tennessee and losing to Buffalo as well.

    If there is one NFL personnel guy or analyst that agrees with this opinion I'd love to know about it.
     
  11. The fins biggest weakness is winning.
     
  12. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    This is a poor argument on your part. Very poor argument.
     
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  13. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Why?

    Did Luck not get his team to the playoffs? Did he not make more plays than Tanny over the course of the season?

    The only poor argument is that this is being argued at all.
     
  14. mommabilly

    mommabilly No riders allowed

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    A right guard that even when he controls his weight is 345 lbs and cannot move. A RT, Garner that is a backup at best. I am willing to bt if Jerry shows up severely overweight this year the kid will be given the pink slip. GUARANTEED
     
  15. cdz12250

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    That. Now multiply it by as many third rate personnel as we have, and it equals inability to execute plays together, as a team. The weaknesses in this team are both individual and collective. They cannot be identified on an individual player level until the players who suck become the exception and not the rule on this team. Too many failures by too many players in infinite combination right now.

    It's going to take several years of substantially more hits than misses in talent acquisition. Accept it. Enjoy watching the process.
     
  16. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    He gave legitimate answers off watching tape.

    You went off watching highlites and the standings. You didn't even attempt to counter his answer. It was a lazy effort.
     
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  17. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    I never claimed to have studied tape nor did I ever claim to be an expert.

    All I said is that based on what I saw, Luck was the better QB. In the one game that I know we all saw Luck play, he not only far outclassed Tanny but was the best player on the field.

    My opinion is shared by every single person who watches football, apparently other than Raf and now people here who like his opinion better because it makes Tanny look better.

    Perhaps Raf is right and someday his opinion of one will be proven true. If that happens I'll endorse him to be general manager if a football team. Until then he is just a guy on the Internet who claims some expertise that maybe he does or doesn't have. It's irrelevant to me.

    I know what I saw, which is the same thing everybody else saw. There is no other discussion going on right now anywhere on Earth where people are debating whether Tannehill is a better QB or QB prospect than Luck. And that is not a criticism of Tanny. I like him, I think he is a good player. He is not as good as Luck. He's not particularly close to Luck.
     
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  18. Anonymous

    Anonymous Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That was my point. He clearly studied the two and came to a conclusion. Because it was against the conventional thinking, which is Luck is the messiah and Tannehill is a Dolphins QB, you think he's wrong. And then you went on to use the teams wins and playoff berth as a reason Luck is better, which is poor reasoning.

    Btw, Rafael said in the second half of the season, Tannehill out played Luck. He didn't say Tannehill is better than Luck. Why is that so hard to believe? What did Luck do so much better than Tannehill that was so special? The gap between their play this season really isn't that far.
     
  19. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

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    There actually is no gap between their play. Their QB rating was nearly identical with a 0.4 differential. Tannehill actually had a much better overall year than Luck in my opinion and especially when you consider their offensive casts.

    Does that mean it will always be that way? No. But Im sick of the Luck love fest. He had a nice season but in all honesty he was probably the 4th best rookie QB. Maybe 5th depending how you feel about the season Weeden had.
     
  20. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

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    WR and DB first and foremost. Would be nice if we could fix one or the other (or a little of both) in FA.
     
  21. Mexphin

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  22. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    If we don't resign Long, and Jake Matthews is on the board when we pick, I would pick him. When we see how well Clay Jr has done, it seems to me the acorn does not fall far from the tree in the Matthews clan. And, if you can get an OL likely as good and as versatile as Jake's dad, you take him no matter what other needs you have. IMO Bruce Matthews was the greatest OL of the past 50 years.
     
  23. gamblerx

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    ^lol
     
  24. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Yet while Tannehill was supposedly outplaying Luck, the Colts were winning most of their games and the Dolphins were losing most of theirs.
    The only position I'd consider the Colts as being better, besides QB, is WR. Was the WR corps on the Colts good enough to overcome Luck playing worse than Tannehill, or are the Colts better than Miami at several other positions too?
     
  25. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    That's all you got? What are ya? Mentally ******ed?
     
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  26. Anonymous

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    That's a good question.
     
  27. rafael

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    IMO it was WR and TE that gave Indy the advantage. Well that and they also played weaker defenses during that stretch. Really Houston was the only good D after they played us and they weren't playing much good D against anyone at the end of the season.
     
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  28. rafael

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    I agree that it is poor reasoning. It would be the same argument if one were claiming that Dilfer is better than Marino b/c he got them to a SB win and Dan didn't. In that case Marino's stats were world's better. Between Luck and RT they were very similar. You wouldn't know that from watching the highlights. All you'd see would be Hilton or Wayne breaking away for long TDs and TEs catching seam passes. You didn't see Miami receivers doing that. Even if you didn't watch Indy's games (only Miami's), but you employed a bit of logic, you'd have to conclude that Luck must have had some stretches where he was much worse to balance out those highlight plays and end up about even with RT. Here were Luck's and RT's stats over the second half of the season:

    WK Opp Result Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rate

    10 @ JACW 27-10 18 26 69.2 227 8.7 0 1 80.1
    11 @ NE L 24-59 27 50 54.0 334 6.7 2 3 63.2
    12 BUF W 20-13 20 37 54.1 240 6.5 1 1 71.9
    13 @ DETW 35-33 24 54 44.4 391 7.2 4 3 70.8
    14 TEN W 27-23 16 34 47.1 196 5.8 1 2 50.6
    15 @ HOUL 17-29 13 27 48.1 186 6.9 2 0 95.6
    16 @ KC W 20-13 17 35 48.6 205 5.9 1 0 76.5
    17 HOU W 28-16 14 28 50.0 191 6.8 2 0 96.0

    Totals 149 301 1970 49.6% 6.5 13 10 71.2

    WK Opp Result Comp Att Pct Yds Avg TD Int Rate

    10 TEN L 3-37 23 39 59.0 217 5.6 0 3 42.4
    11 @ BUFL 14-19 14 28 50.0 141 5.0 1 2 46.9
    12 SEA W 24-21 18 26 69.2 253 9.7 1 1 97.1
    13 NE L 16-23 13 29 44.8 186 6.4 0 0 66.2
    14 @ SF L 13-27 17 33 51.5 150 4.5 1 0 74.1
    15 JAC W 24-3 22 28 78.6 220 7.9 2 0 123.2
    16 BUF W 24-10 13 25 52.0 130 5.2 2 0 93.8
    17 @ NE L 0-28 20 35 57.1 235 6.7 0 1 65.8

    Totals 140 243 1532 57.6% 6.3 7 7 73.9

    Look at how often Luck completed under 50% of his passes during that stretch (Luck 4 under 50%, RT 1 under 50%). Look at how many multi INT games Luck had (Luck 4, RT 2). Really the only areas that Luck was better was in TDs and YPA. Watching the games, it was obvious that his receivers made some plays that resulted in TDs and yards that RT's receivers did not make. And it wasn't due to ball placement. It was also striking to me how much less consistent Luck was than RT. People would post that RT had accuracy issues, but it was nowhere near as bad as the accuracy issues Luck had. And my impression from the games I watched was that RT's stats suffered from many more drops. I didn't count them myself, but I did read somewhere on this site that RT's receivers dropped more passes than Luck's. IMO RT slightly out-performed Luck during the second half of the season even if you don't factor in how much better his receivers were. If you do factor in the play of the receivers then it was really clear that RT out-performed Luck over that stretch. I think you really saw the big jump in RT once the leg brace came off. That was for the Seattle game. From that point on I think you got a clearer picture of how good RT could be. (His only multiple INT games during the second half occurred while he was playing injured). I would say that picture compares very favorably with what we saw from the far more experienced Luck.
     
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  29. shouright

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    You're missing a key variable in that analysis. ;)
     
  30. MikeHoncho

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    [​IMG]He might be onto something. Add to that list G C T HB FB WR TE and also SS, FS MLB OLB DE and DT. Brandon fields and Denney will always be good, but add to the list KR PR and K.
     

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