Sean Smith and the Dolphins "Far Apart" on contract talks

Far apart....just like he was on covering a WR while giving up 3rd down conversions.

 

Lol

 

Interested to see how this plays out. Miami squeezed a good bit of production from Dimitri Patterson, Bryan McCann, R.J. Stanford, and DeAndre Presley (back on the practice squad at season's end). I believe almost all of those guys are RFA's and Patterson's deal would need restructured. Based on Kevin Coyle's ability to maximize these guys, it wouldn't surprise me if Smith walked and Miami went into 2013 with 3 of these 4 and a draft pick, plus Jimmy Wilson, as ugly as that sounds, as the members of the secondary.

 

6 yrs, 43 million, 20 million guaranteed?



That is some funny sh*t right there.

 

$7 million is overpriced, but he's more likely than not to get that dollar figure. Cornerbacks are always in demand, and Smith is a better option than, say, 35 year old Quentin Jammer.

 

Let him walk.

 

Fine.
Let another team deal with his overpriced, non-catching-the-football, average-coverage-skilled-***.

 

I concur. There could be plenty of viable FA options out there to replace him.
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Not to mention a solid CB draft. *All projected to go in the first two rounds*
DeMarcus Milliner
Johnthan Banks
Xavier Rhodes
David Amerson
Jordan Poyer
http://walterfootball.com/draft2013CB.php

 

I love Richie Incognito.

 

A cb who can barely cover and cant catch...sure

 

Those contract demands are not in any way unreasonable. Not at all. I'm sorry but people are overreacting on this one. I think most people have not really researched the contracts of corners and have a good understanding of the price.

The Dolphins paid $5.3 million a year for a corner they planned on using at nickel until Vontae Davis lost his job and got traded. And Dimitri Patterson whom they've just claimed, got virtually the same deal in Cleveland to be the nickel corner while Sheldon Brown and Joe Haden hold down the starting spots, and now the Dolphins have just taken over that contract.

Yet the Dolphins are going to begrudge $7.2 million a year to their starter and #1 player at that position. And if the two sides are "far apart" then evidently they value Sean Smith the same as Richard Marshall which is absurd and comical.

Quite frankly they're lucky he's not asking for more, and they're lucky that Jason McCourty is the contract he's basing his demands on. I figured $7.5 million would be the price of admission for him, and said so many times.

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If I had remembered Jason McCourty's contract then I would have chosen that contract to model Smith's off.

 

Most of this to me right now, are early negotiation tactics. I wouldn't look too far into it.

 

Hmm, prepare to lose SS24 and Hartline folks.

Ireland is low balling guys, for good reasons they are not play makers per se, but still we are kicking more holes in the dam.

 

The hilarious thing to me is that what is going to happen is the Dolphins are going to begrudge Sean Smith what he SHOULD be making, a modest $7.2 million per year (which is indeed modest for that position), and as a result they're going to end up slapping the franchise tag on him and he's going to cost upwards of $10 to $11 million.

 

Consider this:

-does not create turnovers
-poor in zone

In some ways SS and Bline are two of the problems we have, 1600 snaps combined and very few impact plays in the form of Td's or Int's, if you are the GM do you invest heavily in those two or do you calculate that other players can make better use of the 1600 or so plays?

 

Not now we're still upset over lowballing Matt Flynn

 

If the Dolphins are trying to get away with paying Sean Smith $5 million a year then they value him as a 3rd corner. If that's the case then they're all the more likely to take Dee Milliner or Johnthan Banks in the 1st round.

 

Wow what a great position to be in. We are trying to sign our two best players at their respective positions, and are over the barrel because they are slightly above average but are rightfully seeking #1 money because, well, they currently are.

Who do we thank for being in position to have to over pay two NFL non factors?

And then the alternative is to let those gaping talent holes keep widening.

Futures so bright, I gotta wear shades.

 

Do you think if Vontae Davis was still on the team we would've had more leverage with Smith? IMO its hard to imagine we wouldn't

 

Which is a STEAL for Soliai.

If it's a matter of signing Smith or Hartline for this type of money, I say Smith any day!!!!

We do have quite a few holes to fill already, no reason to make it even more.
Do the right thing. Sign Smith to 3 year deal and go on to next problem.

 

If he was actually playing well for us then sure but..

 

Plus, as Barry Jackson pointed out, we not only traded our best corner, but our cheapest as well.

Just a backwards organization

 

How dare Ireland not be sold enough on an inconsistent player to give him a long-term deal.

 

No, that is not funny. That is absolutely hilarious...

 

Not at all. Paul Soliai is one of the most overpaid players on the Dolphins roster right now.

 

Did you happen to notice who the starting Cb's were for the Bengals yesterday?

Did you notice the pick 6?

Suspect they are of the view you don't need high priced Cb's in that defensive scheme

 

Leverage how? You're inherently giving away almost all leverage by letting guys become unrestricted FAs.

These guys at this point aren't going to negotiate with the Dolphins with anything in mind other than getting the most money possible.

 

That really isn't outlandish for a top-40 CB that is an unrestricted FA?

 

I'd let him go and let some other team overpay for his inconsistent services.

 

I believe Leon Hall was a first rounder. And Vontae was low priced for next year, which was the point

 

So we're still pretending Vontae Davis wasn't our most effective CB in 2010 and 2011? Ok

 

Wow, more holes opening up for Ireland.......

 

That certainly is very debatable, and he very well could have been. But the reality is the coaching staff had him behind Smith and Marshall this season.

 

Here is what I'm talking about. Pure speculation on Sean Smith/his agent's thoughts:

1) Currently: "They can't afford to let me go. I'm the best the got and the depth behind me is pretty bad"
2) If Vontae is still on the team: "Maybe they'll resign that guy and let me walk. I'm expendable and would rather not test free agency. It's entirely possible that the rest of the league doesn't think I'm very good. Let me get the best I can out of them"

I think we're kidding ourselves if we believe Nolan Carrol, Richard Marshall, his average play, his injury, and trading Vontae has no effect on the confidence Sean Smith and his agent have in negotiating with Miami.

 

Yes, instead he'd rather trade the guy who only gave up 2 TD catches instead of 8. Vontae's completion % against was bad but he clamped down when it mattered and still had more picks then Smith in 450+ less snaps.

So good bye Sean cause at 6/43/20M guaranteed we don't need you. If he were as good as Jason McCourty I might consider it but as it is right now, he's not. If he wants to come down to something more reasonable like 6/32.5M/12M guaranteed Id say Ireland should go for it but Smith just isnt good enough to warrant that kind of deal. the guaranteed money is the biggest objection I have with that deal. hes just not worth 20M guaranteed. I dont go higher then 12M for him in guarantees and if that doesnt do it then peace. Sign two wr's and draft more cb's early. I reserve that kind of deal for players who make plays not the best of whats around.

Using Richard Marshall as an example is just a bad idea. Many on this board knew he was better as a safety then a CB. That was a complete overpay move by JI. Hopefully he doesnt compound the mistake by giving Sean Smith this kind of deal.

 

Yes he was so effective that he played himself to the bench. I'm gonna take our coaching staff's opinion over yours.