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"Only" $36 million in salary cap space in 2013?

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by ckparrothead, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    http://espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs/201...l-mailbag-carryover-rules-impact-cap-strategy

    See the table. The Dolphins have $5.3 million in 2012 salary cap space which can be rolled over into 2013, but even with that carry-over the Dolphins have only $35.8 million in 2013 salary cap space.

    This according to John Clayton. He says that teams had to make the choice about how much space to carry over from 2012 to 2013 on the eve of the final regular season games. He said thanks to the total carry-over of $200.3 million, there is about $350.7 million in salary cap space out there. The Bengals, Browns, Colts, Dolphins and Bucs account for 62% of that.
     
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  2. schmolioot

    schmolioot Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    That's alot, but a big drop down from the $49-50 million we were expecting. And if you end of franchising Jake that's nearly half.
     
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  3. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    It's strange that there would be a $10 million discrepancy between the local beat writers and John Clayton.
     
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  4. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Only $10 million? Didn't Omar just say something like $60 million?
     
  5. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    What happened?

    Where were we getting the 50 mill idea from?
     
  6. Bpk

    Bpk Premium Member Luxury Box

    We could spend that entire amount just re-signing current players.
     
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  7. djphinfan

    djphinfan Season Ticket Holder Club Member

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    Good luck Irish...

    Are we a free agent mess or is this normal?
     
  8. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I've got picks and less money than originally thought.

    *less mischievous evil genius face*
     
  9. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Yes that is correct, and not even all of them, either.

    Even assuming 1st year cap numbers discounted 20% from the contract's average cap numbers.
     
  10. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Now that's pretty funny.
     
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  11. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    I'm going to put this into perspective. These were the contract estimates I posed about two weeks ago. Maybe I'm right, maybe I'm wrong. The numbers we got on the Sean Smith negotiation sound like I was right about that one, at least.

    Personally I think the Dolphins can let Hartline and Fasano walk, and with a 20% first year discount relative to average contract life cap values, that means about a $23 million price tag to keep your own key free agents. That should leave $13 million to work with, of which about $6 million is necessary for rookies. That could leave you just enough room for a Greg Jennings. If you also allow Reggie Bush to walk, that gives you about $11 million total to work with, which would cover Jennings plus a mid level free agent, or two lower level free agents.
     
  12. Stitches

    Stitches ThePhin's Biggest Killjoy Luxury Box

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    I just don't see how these numbers are so much different than what everyone else thought.
     
  13. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

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    Pretty sure these numbers include Jake Long, who should be voided before it really matters. By my estimation there should be ~$11M added to this $36M figure.
     
  14. Aquafin

    Aquafin New Member

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    the poor house

    if this crap is true then the florida beat writers should be fired for writing falsehoods and crap that is misleading.



    if its true and we cant sign anyone that can make a difference then me might as well fire the gm and kick his *** to mexico and then just sign abunch of un drafted rookies and rll the dice because we wont get anywhere if all we can do is sign current players..

    :hang:
     
  15. jinx

    jinx Well-Known Member

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    I would not pay Starks $6M a year. Randy is a good player but that's just not a position we need to be spending that much money on given the makeup of the roster.
     
  16. dWreck

    dWreck formerly dcaf

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    I personally, would keep Fasano. Considering his consistent value and fairly consistent play, although 'seemingly' less impactful; I like the guy. I always did, really.

    Get another FA TE or Draft one whos a powerhouse playmaker, sure. but I really would hate to let Fasano go even if you did.

    jm2c
     
  17. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    While I think your post is accurate, I do not think it represents the first year cap hit of the contract. Long could have a $9, Smith could have a $5, Starks could have a $4, Hartline could have a $3, with $3 going to rookies, that could leave a solid $12 to work with.

    Plus that doesn't leave room for restructuring contracts or cutting the likes of Incognito and/or Bess.
     
  18. Stringer Bell

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    Its just an accounting technicality. Jake Long's contract will be voided. It hasn't been voided yet though, which is what the discrepancy is. I'm about 99% sure thats the case here.
     
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  19. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    Read the bottom of the post.
     
  20. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    oops
     
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  21. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    This x1000.
     
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  22. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    The writers have generally said 45-50m.

    At this point, Omar doesn't count as an authority on anything, IMO.
     
  23. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    I had an Omar moment the other day reading a column without reading the byline. Got halfway through thinking, Who TF does this guy think he is? scrolled up and its Omar
     
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  24. GridIronKing34

    GridIronKing34 Silently Judging You

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    I think the 60M figure was thrown out a while ago but I could be wrong. Seems like 45M is the general and seemingly accurate consensus.
     
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  25. PhinsRDbest

    PhinsRDbest Transform and Transcend

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    I had a feeling we might lose 80% of our Free agents
     
  26. padre31

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    Simmer down fellas, I've rarely seen a team not be able to sign someone due to cap concerns.

    And, also have heard "oh, they are over the cap!"

    Then, as if by magic, there is cap space carryover..who would have thought it?
     
  27. Stringer Bell

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    To be fair, I've once seen a team forced to start Mark Sanchez due to cap concerns.
     
  28. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    Omar is like a ref. He tries to call the game as fair as possible. When you're foul he's gonna call you on it.
     
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  29. padre31

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    Rebuild time!

    I've suspected this for a time now, mainly due to the NFL canard of "..oh, a coach wants his own players..!"

    IE, organization is to cheap to keep guys, I think we do lose Bline/Starks/Bush for sure, Long may be retained but for the wrong reasons.
     
  30. padre31

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    Not so, they could have benched him at any time, they chose not to bench Butt Fumble.
     
  31. Fin D

    Fin D Sigh

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    Unless "ref" is short for refried dip****, I'm not sure I understand your point.
     
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  32. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    What?
     
  33. Patssuck

    Patssuck Well-Known Member

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    Dansby, Patterson, and a few others could be let go if needed.
     
  34. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

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    That would match up with the $46.8 million figure that Armando stated recently.
     
  35. maynard

    maynard Who, whom?

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    You are a fan of referees and Omar Kelly?
     
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  36. PhinGeneral

    PhinGeneral PC Texas A&M, Bro Club Member

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    Although I would think (hope, actually) that Jeff has a very good idea of how much money he'll have to spend.
     
  37. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

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    That was actually one of his tweets today. His feed is nonstop hilarity.
     
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  38. Desides

    Desides Well-Known Member

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    Yes, $45 million is generally the agreed-upon number.

    So I really don't know where Clayton is getting $35 million with the cap rollover from.
     
  39. DevilFin13

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    Anyone have an idea of what else is out there at LT? I just don't feel comfortable giving him that much money when he hasn't been dominant in a while. There's almost no way I'd pay Reggie Bush much money. Even Adrian Peterson just isn't adding that much value to your team. And Reggie is no Peterson. I'm not wild about paying Sean Smith that much money either. Our lack of depth at the position is the biggest reason I'd consider it. I'd like to get Hartline at what Ck is projecting. I think that's fair. And I think Starks would be worth resigning.
     
  40. Dol-Fan Dupree

    Dol-Fan Dupree Tank? Who is Tank? I am Guy Incognito.

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    Don't agree with THAT at all.
     
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