1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Armando: Egnew Unlikely to Make Roster in 2013

Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by schmolioot, Jan 9, 2013.

  1. Paul 13

    Paul 13 Chaotic Neutral & Unstable Genius Staff Member

    85,620
    51,681
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    I never forget an Egnew

    [​IMG]
     
    Stringer Bell and Fin D like this.
  2. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

    7,760
    3,486
    113
    Sep 4, 2010
    Maui, Hawaii
    I think Egnew would have been cut this past preseason, except for the fact he was the third round selection used in the Marshall trade and Ireland didn't want to admit that he blew one of the two draft picks he got for Marshall.

    Sherman stated during preseason that if he was the teams GM, he would cut Egnew. Unfortunately Sherman isn't the GM and Ireland is, which is the reason Egnew remained on the team and contributed exactly nothing to the team. I have said all along that I don't see Egnew as a member of the Dolphins next season.
     
    oakelmpine likes this.
  3. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    79,599
    159,162
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    That quote is the most overblown piece over overblownery ever to be overblown.

    Yelling at a guy during a meeting for making mistakes on the field and threatening to cut him doesn't mean you've actually made an evaluation that he needs to be cut.
     
  4. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    44,356
    22,480
    113
    Mar 22, 2008
    When has Ireland been shy about that???
     
    cuchulainn and Fin D like this.
  5. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    Even if Egnew does get cut or does end up sucking.....name me a GM that hit on every pick ever. Most picks end up being average players or worse. Very few in any round become game changers but everyone here seems to think they are all over the place.
     
  6. I agree that it would be unfair to judge Ireland based on just the results of 1 draft pick. It is however another element in evaluating his work as the GM. If they cut Egnew (not saying they will) then it is clearly another unsucessfull draft pick that he made. Frankly that list appears to be growing larger and his list of sucessfull picks seems to be shrinking. How much sucess do you expect a GM to have in order to give him a passing grade is what seems to be up for debate.

    I would not call Ireland a horrible GM but I would call him a poor one. The team is slightly better then the 2007 roster so I do say has accomplished some good. I also think he had some difficult obstacles to contend with. There was a lack of talent on the team, there were salary cap problems, IIRC Cam & Co traded picks away in Irelands 1st draft. Point being that he had his work cut out for him as a 1st time GM.

    That being said he is 5yrs into his rebuild and the team is not really too much better then it was before he got here. I keep hearing many people rationalizing that it was because Parcells was really in charge while he was here and he was saddled with a poor HC in Sporano. There may be some truth in that but that is what makes this latest story about Egnew pertinent. He wasnt choosen by Parcells and he wasnt hampered by Sporano's staff. If Egnew fails that failure belongs to Ireland.

    Something else about the players he signed over his 1st 4yrs. I think if the guys that didnt suceede here found sucess on other teams then a fair argument could be made that it was due to poor coaching or them just not be right in Philbin system, but that isnt really the case.
     
  7. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

    607
    302
    0
    Dec 27, 2012
    Syracuse NY
    Egnew got talent, but talent is not enough to make it in the NFL. So he better get his azz in the weight room, get stronger. Or he's going to find himself looking for a 9-5 job.
     
  8. Caps

    Caps Movimiento Juvenil

    705
    537
    93
    Mar 23, 2008
    I'm not necessarily an Ireland supporter, but if my thoughts on the guys we have on our roster are correct, we left the 2012 draft with: a franchise QB who will probably never be a top 3 guy but should develop into a solid top 10 guy that can take you all the way with the right tools surrounding him, a starting LT at best or RT at worst, a guy who I think will be our starting LDE next year, and great 3rd down back possibly starter quality down the road.

    I call that a damn successful draft, and if our third round pick TE busts completely (which I'm not yet convinced of) I wouldn't hold it against Ireland.
     
  9. Alex44

    Alex44 Boshosaurus Rex

    20,810
    8,965
    0
    Jan 7, 2008
    Hollywood, Florida
    Honestly I believe poor coaching can ruin the entire career of a player. Not always but generally. Also those players tend to bounce around to other unsuccessful teams and still require better coaching.


    I think he's done a fine job of building a solid core. Now he has to find some explosion for sure.
     
  10. Perfectville_USA

    Perfectville_USA Mr Perfect

    607
    302
    0
    Dec 27, 2012
    Syracuse NY
    Egnew got talent, but talent is not enough to make it in the NFL. So he better get his azz in the weight room, get stronger. Or he's going to find himself looking for a 9-5 job.
     
  11. I can respect your opinion on that. You may be right. Time will tell, because despite anyones oppinion, he is staying on at least one more season.
     
  12. brandon27

    brandon27 Season Ticket Holder Club Member

    45,652
    19,304
    113
    Dec 3, 2007
    Windsor, ON. CANADA
    Ouch. That's not good. I dont think it should really come as a surprise to anyone... I mean, it is Armando... but still... the writing was on the wall with Egnew. He probably shouldnt even have made the roster this year.
     
  13. Colmax

    Colmax Well-Known Member

    5,126
    3,241
    113
    Dec 12, 2007
    Has anyone broken down Jeff Ireland's drafts pick by pick (on our site) and given an unbiased opinion on those drafts?

    Just from a quick glance, it looks like Ireland hits it with his first round picks, and I would say he might have hit on Odrick given his first year was completely a bust and, honestly, has played some nice football towards the end of the year. Even considering Vontae and the trade, we were all singing Vontae's praises after his rookie season. Cannot blame Ireland for Vontae's downfall with the team. Watched the Indy game this past weekend.......Vontae still looks pretty solid (when he wants).

    He also finds guys in the late rounds, which is fantastic.

    I personally think Ireland has sound judgement in trying to bring in players who "fit in", and I think he is a fantastic evaluator of these late round/FA pick guys (acorns). Obviously, bringing in playmakers seem to be his problem.

    Let's see if Irish takes a chance in '13. He has shown some good judgement, IMO, with his drafts, but it doesn't always work. He better hit this year, or I will be a little unnerved.
     
  14. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

    14,291
    5,841
    0
    Jan 27, 2010
    I hate to defend Egnew bc he hasn't done jack **** for us so far, but...

    Fasano was the unquestioned starter at TE w Clay entrenched at number two. The only way for Eggs to dress as the 3rd TE would be to ball out on special teams and he is clearly not well sized or skilled for that role. You can't dress a 3rd TE who doesn't cover kicks, punts, etc no matter how good he is on offense, there's just not enough snaps available to make it worth while.

    Assuming we re-sign Fas or sign another TE to be a starter, IMO Eggs needs to get bigger, stronger, better, and earn his way onto the field via ST. If not he better start dusting off his résumé.
     
  15. MAFishFan

    MAFishFan Team Tannehill

    3,561
    447
    83
    Sep 20, 2011
    Massachusetts
    bottom line, how bad do you have to suck NOT to get MINIMAL playing time on this team?
     
    oakelmpine and shula_guy like this.
  16. GMJohnson

    GMJohnson New Member

    14,291
    5,841
    0
    Jan 27, 2010
    You don't have to suck to not see the field for us, unless you're a WR, then you'd have to suck.
     
    MAFishFan likes this.
  17. Kud_II

    Kud_II Realist Division

    3,662
    1,404
    113
    Oct 15, 2011
    Seneca, SC
    "He's a p---y," the second player said. "He's not a football player."

    Is Egnew related to Ginn?
     
  18. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

    3,328
    339
    0
    Oct 16, 2012
    His job is on the line, and that would have been just more fuel to the fire.
     
  19. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

    3,328
    339
    0
    Oct 16, 2012
    Indy seemed to find quite a few in last years draft, and so did Washington.

    It seems many here are satisfied with just being plain mediocre.

    "So Jeffy doesn't hit on all of his picks, he got some didn't he" ? Screw that.....I want to win and win BIG. I'm tired of the mediocrity and the mentality that accepts it, and less than having an outstanding organization.

    This franchise once stood for being more than "just another team". There is a reason the fight song says "when you say Miami, you're talking Super Bowl" !!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    :tantrum: :tantrum:
     
  20. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    44,356
    22,480
    113
    Mar 22, 2008
    Didn't Indy also let Stevie Brown go, who was 2nd in the NFL in INTs this season? What would you say if the Dolphins did that?
     
  21. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

    5,649
    1,853
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    DC
    Did they let him go because he couldn't name the secondary coach?
     
  22. Stringer Bell

    Stringer Bell Post Hard, Post Often Club Member

    44,356
    22,480
    113
    Mar 22, 2008
    Not sure. But they definitely made a bad move in not tendering him.
     
  23. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

    5,649
    1,853
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    DC
    I had to do the research on him - the Colts had IR'd him, which explains why they didn't tender him. The Bengals were interested in him, which should have been a good sign.
     
  24. oakelmpine

    oakelmpine New Member

    3,328
    339
    0
    Oct 16, 2012
    especially since we need playmakers at that position. The Jeffy supporters can't really answer that one.
     
  25. Steve-Mo

    Steve-Mo 'Saban' Guy

    4,355
    397
    83
    Apr 14, 2010
    Western New York
    This is already an Ireland thread and relatively pointless, so I may as well put this here. Imagine the Dolphins go into the season with: Donald Driver, Rishard Matthews, Davone Bess, Armon Binns, and Ryan Swope. And yes, Michael Egnew manning the 3rd TE spot.
     
  26. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    79,599
    159,162
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    Pretty sure Donald Driver is out of the question. He's a Packer until he retires, which may be this year.

    Incidentally I hope you meant for that receivers unit to inspire suicidal depression, because...mission accomplished.
     
  27. Rocky Raccoon

    Rocky Raccoon Greasepaint Ghost Staff Member

    30,224
    36,965
    113
    Dec 2, 2007
    Jersey
    Didn't something like this happen with us at some point? That sounds really familiar.
     
  28. ckparrothead

    ckparrothead Draft Forum Moderator Luxury Box

    79,599
    159,162
    113
    Dec 1, 2007
    The Dolphins hosted Sam Shields for a visit to see if they wanted to sign him as a UDFA. At one point they asked him to name Miami's secondary coach and he couldn't do it. The person who relayed the story to the press seemed to imply that left them unimpressed, and they passed on signing him. While it's not said or clear that they refused to make an offer directly because of that answer, the fact it even mattered to them doesn't impress me.
     
    MrClean likes this.
  29. emocomputerjock

    emocomputerjock Senior Member

    5,649
    1,853
    113
    Nov 23, 2007
    DC
    Yeah, they let Sam Shields go because he didn't know who our DB coach was.

    **EDIT**

    The reports state that Sparano started telling Shields that he failed already when he couldn't answer. I can't think of something stupider at this moment.
     
  30. jw3102

    jw3102 season ticket holder

    7,760
    3,486
    113
    Sep 4, 2010
    Maui, Hawaii
    You can view the quote anyway you want to. The fact Egnew was inactive for almost every game this season and had zero catches in the two games he was active clearly shows me that Sherman knew what he was talking about in preseason. Tight End was a position of need going into the 2012 season and the fact Egnew made no contribution is a sign that his time on the roster is coming to an end.
     
  31. MrClean

    MrClean Inglourious Basterd Club Member

    Maybe. Maybe not. I'm sure if we all put our thinking caps on, we could think of many solid current NFL players who didn't do jack squat as a rookie. Some players develop a little slower and some players are in situations where there is too much talent ahead of them, or both.
    Armando reporting the quotes of two anonymous players doesn't mean much to me.
     

Share This Page